Forums fo handgun owners?

spanky250 · Oct 14, 2001

It's not really a gun forum, but there is always a lot of info and news regarding the legal front for guns here: [B]www.boortz.com[/B] Just go to Nealz Nuze and scroll down.

SFO · Oct 14, 2001

Considering the state of the nation...

I have been considering owning a handgun for the first time.
I carried a 1911 in the Coast Guard, and after that we carried Berretta 9mm's.
I prefer the feel of a 1911 and have been investigating some different custom makes, Ed Brown, I believe is one off them.
I wonder about the super 45 load and what the advantages to different chamberings are.
I am looking for a very nice shooting gun and as a machinist I consider myself
kinda picky about assembly, fit and finish.
The 1911 wouldn't be a hidden weapon, I would probably carry it in a bag.
The customs are pricey, but I know that I can't do much machine work for less than a grand so why should I expect to pay an american less to assemble a collection of machined parts that I expect to work in harmony for my lifetime?
I never thought I would be chatting about handguns...

P_Taylor · Oct 14, 2001

www.1911forum.com

go here and check out the links page , it has most of the custom smiths listed

the Ed Brown pistols are now built on les Baer slide/frames , both are quality products

I have worked on most of the brands of 1911s out there and they are not all the same just because they say 1911. Colt`s steel is easily the hardest , the Norinco that was out years ago was soft and the Springfields are good guns but you sometimes find a slide with a little bow to it from heat treat. I have heard good things about the Kimbers , seem to be the most for the dollar. They came about after I had pretty much stopped working on them so I can`t say for sure about the Kimber.

I haven`t shot a 45 super but have seen and shot several 10mm 1911s , if you plan to put a lot rounds through the gun I would stay .45CAP. The pistols locking system was designed for the pressures of the .45 round , the 10mm and 45 super are over that. I haven`t kept up with things over the last couple years like I did at one time on the 1911 so this is just an opinion and there might be something new out that could change my views.

Jaybird · Oct 15, 2001

I'm using .45 +p in my Para-ordnance P-13. I changed the spring from, 19to 22 lbs,(pretty sure) and put in a recoil buffer. Feels better than it did when I was shooting .45 balls. Anyone who's shot +p knows they have lots of punch.
Amazing how much difference the recoil buffer made and is a very inexpensive tiny piece of plastic.

Folks at the range DO notice when you start shooting your +p's. :D

Shaw520 · Oct 15, 2001

Originally posted by DANIEL JOSEPH
In CT.if you are licensed to carry a firearm (Hand Gun) it must be concealed. You can not carry a hand gun in public veiw.

Same hear in NY

P_Taylor · Oct 15, 2001

Jaybird,

Did they also change your firing pin spring to a heavier rate??
The only thing that stops the firing pin in a 1911 from firing the next round when the slide goes forward is the firing pin spring. The heavier recoil spring makes the slide return with more force ( faster ) and a heavier firing pin spring is cheap insurance against this. I have always used Wolfe springs but it is probably just like suspension springs , only a few shops making them for everyone.

Pat Taylor

Hogwylde · Oct 15, 2001

NOT TRUE PAT!!

all series 80 and later single action 45's (and copies including the para-ordnance) have a firing pin block. there is a notch cut in the firing pin and a spring loaded catch blocks movement of the firing pin until the trigger is pressed and a little lever raises out of the frame and releases this block.

P_Taylor · Oct 15, 2001

the firing pin block is inactive when the trigger is pulled otherwise the handgun would not fire , this block does not prevent the firing pin from going forward when the slide stops its forward motion

a properly tuned 1911 will cycle in roughly .1 second , the trigger is still pulled to the rear and the block inactive when the slide completes its cycle

buffmaster · Oct 15, 2001

I've got the HK USP .40 and LOVE it! Great gun, shoots very well, good recoil, excellent quality and the .40 is a good compromise between power and size. I've also got the 13 rd. clip, but a little pricey at $60(got it for a b-day present, thou'). For self defense ammo, I'd recommend a light weight hollow points or the Glazer's. The lighter the hollow point, the higher the chance of fragmentation in the target, thus lower the chance of it going thru the kid's wall's. BTW, you can't go wrong w/any of the gun's you're looking at(or the one's that everyone else are talking about). Unless you decide to save some coin and go w/an off brand, you're gonna get a good, quality gun. SIG and HK were at the top of my list and it really just came down to $. But it's also about personal preference. Good luck choosing and welcome to the club.:) :cool:

Rumpelstiltskin · Oct 15, 2001

I'm looking to get my girlfriend a handgun in either a 9mm or 40 caliber but need to know what sort of recoil these both have because she's a really small petite woman. I only have hangun round experience with 357, 44 magnum and 45 long colt so I don't know how either of these are. Are the 9mm and 40cal similar? I would prefer her to go with the 40 if it's really not much more recoil wise.

XRpredator · Oct 15, 2001

If you want to do a lot of shooting, I'd say go with the 9mm, since it's a lot cheaper to shoot (Winchester FMJ @ 6 bucks/box of 50, while a .40 is closer to $10/box). But if you're going for personal defense, the .40 is about the same speed, but almost twice the energy! Plus, I think all hollow points are about the same price.

Jaybird · Oct 15, 2001

Pat, I was under the impression that once the gun was fired the pin block mechanism was in play until the trigger was pulled again. I would have thought my gunsmith would have recommended a heavier pin if needed, as he is a trusted craftsman by many law enforcement folks here. Are you certain about this, because I think I remember the salesman mentioning this feature when I was originaly looking at purchasing the gun.
If you are correct, then I think I will definately look into a heavier spring.

Rumplestiltskin, I think your girlfriend would be much happier all the way around with a 9mm. More than adequate stopping power and much more economical as well as probably lighter.

P_Taylor · Oct 15, 2001

Jaybird,

I`m not trying to say anyone is wrong , it is a matter of opinion. Some will say the heavier spring is needed and some don`t think it is. The liability aspect of it is why I think many suggest it. I use them in mine but I have shot a lot of rounds with the standard spring without problems. I use 18.5 lb. recoil springs with standard velocity 230gr ammuntion in a 5". Standard rate is 16.

The firing pin block is in effect anytime the trigger isn`t pulled. The reason it isn`t in effect when the slide goes to home position is the cycle time is quicker than a persons finger. The trigger is still pulled when the firing cycle has completed. Lock your slide back and look under the slide , on the right side you will see a round pin. This is the sliding pin that blocks the firing pin , it is spring loaded. There is a lever set-up in the frame that pushes up on this when the trigger is pulled. When the slide goes back it could let the sliding pin move and block the pin but if the trigger is still pulled and the lever is still up it will disengage the safety as the slide goes to home position.

The military did drop tests years ago when the pistol was being adopted. Gunmakers have also did these tests. The 1911 without the firing pin block will discharge if dropped on the muzzle from over 20 feet. The firing pin block is meant to stop this type of ND , as an example if you were in a car accident and the firearm struck something in the car at a high enough G force it would be like dropping the firearm on the muzzle. The firing pin block prevents the handgun from discharging from impacts.

This is just my opinion on how the 1911 and 1991s work , I`m sure others have different ideas on things.

Do you use shok buffers on your recoil spring guide? They will improve the life of your handgun and they are cheap too.

Pat Taylor

Jaybird · Oct 15, 2001

Are you reffering to a recoil buffer? (lil plastic piece behind the spring) If so, then yes. I put one in when I changed the recoil spring. My gunsmith said the only problem he saw with my gun is the composite frame I chose. He feels that they will wear pretty fast if you shoot mucho rounds, but with the difference in weight (34 ounces vs 28) I chose the lighter for carrying purposes. And yes, the OEM spring was 16lbs and I went to a 19.(was confused before)

Where in Ky do you live, Pat? I live just across the creek from Louavul and frequent Kieslers Police Supply in Jeff.

nephron · Oct 15, 2001

You guys & gals go for it.

My penchant for firepower left when my son turned 4 and started finding my old Ruger 44 no matter where I hid it.:eek: I gave it away the other day.

'Course, probably has nothing to do with the fact that I misfired it in my apartment during Medical School and damn near killed my neighbor.:scream:

I'm done with em.

Okiewan · Oct 15, 2001

yes, they do require a certain amount of responsibility ;)

Yamaholley · Oct 15, 2001

Originally posted by XRpredator
If you want to do a lot of shooting, I'd say go with the 9mm, since it's a lot cheaper to shoot (Winchester FMJ @ 6 bucks/box of 50, while a .40 is closer to $10/box). But if you're going for personal defense, the .40 is about the same speed, but almost twice the energy! Plus, I think all hollow points are about the same price.

being a small petite (well, somewhat he he) woman, I'd have to concur with this :)

P_Taylor · Oct 15, 2001

Jaybird,

I live in Hopkinsville , about 3 hours from Louisville. I haven`t been lately but I was a regular at National Gun Day at the Louisville fairgrounds for several years. I have spent a fair number of days at Knob Creek near Shepardsville for the machine gun shoot too.

Yes, the piece on the guide rod is what I was asking about. They will help extend the life of your frame.

I bought a 5" steel frame Para-Ordnance when the newer frame style came out. I ended up trading it for a Beneli Super 90 Tactical. The steel frame in a full size plus 13+1 rounds of 230 grain Cor-Bon ammo really put a load on the belt. I liked the single stack better for carry.

The last time I was at Gunsite some guy set off a .308win in his hotel room , it went through seven rooms before it stopped. Nobody was hurt but easily could have been. One of the instructors said someone fired a round from a Baretta 92 in his room once before and it went through the wall and barely cleared someones head on the other side.

Pat Taylor

teton · Oct 16, 2001

I cant believe that I have missed all this talk about handguns ! I have shot alot of weapon's here and there, I just picked up a 1911 and love it. I mostly shot 9mm, had a S&W 910 and a Sig. 228. Sold them both, the S&W I could'nt hit the target and I didnt really like the trigger on the 228, but they really smaller hands nice. The Sig 228 was very accurate too, held 13 rnds and can take the 15 rnd 226 mag's. For the house, you really cant beat a shotgun with a 18" barrel, like a Rem. 870, there is nothing quite like the sound of a shotgun racking a round into the chamber. Just my two pennies

The tragedy of NY, 01,9,11 or just 1911,or maybe 911.........I know its a reach but could those guy's picked this date for a reason ?

Johnrock · Oct 16, 2001

Can't believe I missed this one, getting in on it late.

we can also carry concealed handguns here in Oregon with a permit.

I've been carrying my 92FS since 1995. Tough to conceal in the warm weather, but we don't get too much of that in Orygun. ;)

Okie wrote some time ago.

FYI, there arent many places in the US where concealed weapons are legal, I only know of Texas ??? . I also understand that there are some folks that can carry depending on their profession in other states. In Illinois, you can carry it, unloaded, in a closed case or bag, but that's it.

Just a little FYI in case anyone is interested, in additon to Oregon issuing CCW's, Washington state also allows BOTH residents and non-residents to obtain CCW's. I just went to the nearest courthouse in Washington, paid the $65, got fingerprinted, and it came in the mail.

Since I travel back and forth between the states, it was a fairly painless solution.

I wish more states offered reciprocity, neither Oregon nor Washington recognize the others' CCW license, yet Idaho, Montana, and a couple other states allow concealed carry as long as you have a CCW from your home state.

I remember a bill in Congress a while back that was pro-reciprocity, but it was shot down. (no pun intended) :think

Jaybird · Oct 16, 2001

Pat,
Small world isn't it. I have done some work in Hoptown, the Budd plant was the last place. My mother-in-law is buried right next to the range at Knob Creek.
For others info, Knob Creek is a gun range that has a yearly machine gun shoot. It's like a 'state fair' for gun totin rednecks. :p You can actually rent a fully automatic. The night fire each year is a fantastic sight.

Okie, I agree that gun ownership takes a fair amount of personal responsibility. But you know, for those of us who were taught to handle weapons from a very early age have no troubles with this it seems. The folks who have the most trouble with weapons are those who have never had any exposure to them save for what they learn from Tom Brokaw.
I've always been a firm believer in teaching kids gun safety at a very early age. Hunters not only learn to shoot but they learn valuable lessons such as respect for high powered weaponry and a respect for nature. The scared to death left will say sarcastically "Oh yeah, killing bambi will sure give you respect for nature" well...it's DOES if taught properly, and I'm sure that you hunters know what I'm talking about.

XRpredator · Oct 16, 2001

Originally posted by Jaybird
. . . I agree that gun ownership takes a fair amount of personal responsibility. But you know, for those of us who were taught to handle weapons from a very early age have no troubles with this it seems. The folks who have the most trouble with weapons are those who have never had any exposure to them . . .

This is one of my biggest beefs. I grew up with guns. My old man had his hunting rifles in the closet, and a pistol in the nightstand. We never ever even thought about messing with them, because we were taught to treat all guns like they were loaded. And we had the toy guns (cap guns, pop rifles, bb guns, dart guns, etc.), but we didn't end up shooting up our local school.

I'm raising my kids around guns. My gun cabinet sits right in the living room, in view of all that come over. My kids don't think twice about messing with them. The people I do worry about, though, are friends of my kids who may not have any exposure to guns. They're the ones that may cause problems. That's why no one comes over unless Mom or Dad is there.

(sorry about the rant, but I needed to say it)

Now, to get back to topic (somewhat), has anyone shot a Desert Eagle in .44 Mag or .50 AE? How about a .454 Casull or that new .480 Ruger? I'm thinkin' maybe I need some real firepower!:eek:

buffmaster · Oct 16, 2001

Have you seen the prices on .50? They're like $1.25/CARTRIDGE!!!! Unless you reload, that's friggin' nuts! Why not take a single action 12ga., put a pistol stock on it and saw off the barrel at about 4" maybe 5". Compact and lethal. Little bit of a kick, thou'.

Back on your question, yes I've shot a .44 Eagle. Nice gun. Recoil isn't that bad, considering what it is, but the thing is like a heavy brick. Grip's big and the gun itself is beefy, and then you throw in the 8 rds. of .44 mag. Fun to shoot, but I wouldn't want to spend all day at the range w/it.

P_Taylor · Oct 16, 2001

Take a look at the LAR Grizzly in .45 win mag , it is a strong cartridge but still in a reasonable size to carry.

Offroadr · Oct 16, 2001

Originally posted by XRpredator
[Now, to get back to topic (somewhat), has anyone shot a Desert Eagle in .44 Mag or .50 AE? How about a .454 Casull or that new .480 Ruger? I'm thinkin' maybe I need some real firepower!:eek: [/B]

Yes I have shot a .50AE Desert eagle Recoil is not bad due to the weight of the gun.

As far as the cost of the ammo, I don't consider that as a bad thing since many of my guns are not shot as a 'plinker' You just shhot them on occasion so it isnt that bad.

Not like I am gonna knock over soda cans with my 22-250!

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