Scotts damper Mounting Question

[GREENBEAN]

I am trying to get a Scotts damper for my 2000 200 and I called scotts they told me that they do not make the lower mounts to fit the stock triple clamp anymore and I would have to buy the whole tripleclamp from them $600. I want to use my Pro-Tapers I already have and just buy the damper/mount with the bolt on tower to get away cheaper... does someone have some advice or a set of those lower mounts I can buy?

 

[gooby]

this won't help but i have a scotts damper on my kdx scotts upper clamp with the weld on post,the weld on post is the way to go dude.i have pt bars too .on the other hand i have a wer on my klx it's the same unit for a kdx.it's a great piece have u considered the wer?cost less install is a snap works great?

 

[GREENBEAN]

I didnt really think about the WER much the thing I like about the Scotts is it seems really versatile cause I want to use it for any other bike I buy. I am thinking about a CRF450 this year or next which is why I just wanted a bolt on tower. Also the no damping returning to center action seems like it could produce some good ghostrides :-\..

 

[canyncarvr]

the no damping returning to center action seems like it could produce some good ghostrides

Seems you're singling out one or the other damper with this comment, but I'm not sure which one...and I don't know if you mean it to be bad or good, either!!!

...in either case...neither unit (WER or Scotts) damps on return to center. Imagine riding a bike that DID damp return to center!! That would be a homicide waiting to happen. Wait...what am I saying...that's the basic defiinition of a dirtbike ANYWAY!! ;)

Something else to keep in mind. Scott's takes particular issue with bikes that have isolated (bushed) bars. Those bushings can give a damper problems (ie: the bushings tweak, the post becomes unaligned, non-concentric forces damage the damper). Scott's makes a high durometer bushing replacement, but I don't know to what extent THAT would effect bar vibration.

Isn't WER similar to scott's in that they both make pretty much ONE damper with mounting applications to suit? In which case the WER may well be useable on the honda?

An additional + to the WER...it mounts lower on the forks. That means MORE deflection force will be absorbed by the damper, LESS will be absorbed by lower fork tubes, upper fork tubes, handlebar mounts etc. The more 'stuff' between the point of force exertion and the damping, the more that 'stuff' gets tweaked in the process.

 

[GREENBEAN]

I have ridden a couple KTM's with the scotts damper and I liked the less deflection/feel it gave while hitting angled roots and rocks. I wish I could try the WER. It seems the opinion is the scotts offers more adjustability and it can be adjusted while riding because it is right there on the bars. I am running the scotts stiffer durometer bushings now they are stiff but have still shifted after a big crash :scream:
needing realignment..

 

[canyncarvr]

Yeah...the scott's is 'more adjustable'. Not only can you easily reach it while riding (the amount of damping), you can also adjust the damping arc (a screw adjustment..NOT done while riding).

Still, there's a good argument to be made for the 'on-the-fly' adjustment part being largely 'fiddle factor'. Meaning it's cool, it's hi-tech...but you can do without it. I've read input from WER users that say they 'set it and forget it'. I'm sure there is something to be said for the idea that if it CAN be fiddled with, some will consider that fiddling a NECESSARY virtue...while, if that adjustment was gone, it wouldn't be missed.

Besides, on the WER, it's NOT gone...you just have to reach over your bars to make the adjustment. Actually, I've wondererd about the modification it would take to route some sort of mechanical 'extension' to the WER so you COULD adjust it on the fly.

OK...word's out...I'm a fiddler!!;) Isn't THAT a surprise!!!

Don't know the extent of 'shift' you're referring to, but scott's definitely says that such a shift may damage their damper!! I red it maseff las time i putt a scotts on a kayteemm!!

General opinion of a damper is, once you ride with one, you'll never ride without one. I've heard that over and over and.....well, over. I have a WER on my own gift-to-me list. Haven't treated myself yet.

 

[gooby]

who tries to fiddle with the damper on the fly anyway !!!!!!!!!! my kdx came to me with the scotts,i bought the wer after running a scotts for my klx.cc i set it and forgot it,yes a damper is a beauty thing if u have the means get one..i have 309.00 + tax in the wer ,it's fab see what u get for that much from scotts.btw i feel some res on return with the scotts none with the wer?

 

[Speedy]

I like your guys points and i to am looking into getting one of these items,, but here is something to think about,,,,, The Wer mounts lower on the forks, where the Scotts mounts up where you hang on to the bars. My Q is, wouldnt the Scotts feel better to the hands being that it is closer and takes away shock at the top, Forks are gonna flex, i think they have to dont they? But it seems like, its closer to the hands and would work better. Im sure both work great and i wish i had either!!! And i do like the on the fly adj that Scotts has but it wouldnt bother me if it didnt . I have no idea what im sayin,,,, I was hopeing you guys could help me out. hehe

 

[cr25096er]

im looking for a damper and the gpr sems like the best canadate. the only thing is the return to center damping. will this be bad? like if i have it set hard and i turn im going to be forcing it back to center? ive read that many eople rode the gpr and scotts back to back and couldnt tell the difference. where can i get a deal on the scotts, gpr or wer?

 

[GREENBEAN]

These things seem to be like gold, hard to come by and no deals unless it has been used and abused already... I see all these different mount kits for the Scotts and any info on the WER seems to tell me that it (The WER) mounts to a lot of applications as is.. I wonder which is easier to mount and remove... Hey Gooby did you need any special mount kit to fit the WER.. what kind of mount connects to the frame? Do you want to sell you rScotts Damper just thought I would ask... :moon:

 

[canyncarvr]

From the standpoint of having installed a scott's, I don't think ANYthing could be easier to take off! It would take a couple of minutes, and you'd be done. Well..as long as you didn't mess with the anchor that is.

This 'no damp return to center' thing kinda gets me. Doesn't scott's claim they are the only one to do that? Seems that is so. Also seems WER says the same thing. I've never looked into a gpr.

I'm having no luck right now finding any definitive statement on the web concerning wer/scotts and their relative damping actions.

Why would you want any damping TO center? I can't imagine why you would. Maybe with the bars @ lock steering around a corner at 50mph? Oh yeah...I do that all the time...???

Does gpr say they DO damp to center??

 

[gooby]

greenbean sorry i'm keepin the scotts.it's great all i'm sayin is the wer works just as well for a lot less money.wer says no return res not sure scott's pos on that.i feel res on return w the scotts where i don't on the wer.the wer comes with all the hardware ,mounting,anchor the whole deal for the price i mentioned.easy install too no special tools needed .you can get a weld on or u shaped bolt on bracket.part number the same for kdx,klx damper .either is great ,money well spent which ever one u choose :)

 

[cr25096er]

yep they say it dampens to center.