I am looking for opinions on what people like better. Stock Honda clutch plates and springs or aftermarket parts. Also stock Honda brake pads vs. aftermarket pads. I need to replace these items on my 1999 CR 250. I have been happy with the performance of the stock parts, would I be happier with the performance of aftermarket parts. The price difference between stock and aftermarket is not really a concern, the performance is my main question. Thanks in advance for the info.
Stock Honda parts vs. Aftermarket
- Thread starter sngltrk
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EBC brake pads are great. As for clutch plates, I would stick with OEM.
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Stock brake pads are much better than any aftermarket junk I have tried on my Hondas. (CR 250's)
Same goes for clutch plates. Someone may disagree with me, but I'd go all steel plates for the clutch plates too...ditch the aluminum ones. The aluminum contaminates the oil faster and wears out faster. I dont have any scientific evidence to back this up, or any reference material to say "go look here"...
Actually, I can't think of any stock part on my CR250 that has a significantly better aftermarket part replacement outside of the handlebars, chain, and air filter. (I am sure there are plenty that I am forgetting)
Stock brake pads are much better than any aftermarket junk I have tried on my Hondas. (CR 250's)
Same goes for clutch plates. Someone may disagree with me, but I'd go all steel plates for the clutch plates too...ditch the aluminum ones. The aluminum contaminates the oil faster and wears out faster. I dont have any scientific evidence to back this up, or any reference material to say "go look here"...
Actually, I can't think of any stock part on my CR250 that has a significantly better aftermarket part replacement outside of the handlebars, chain, and air filter. (I am sure there are plenty that I am forgetting)
grass-digger
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i have hade good luck with all stock honda brake pads and cluch plated have lasted a long time and there still gripping well
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Zero or anyone else, who may know,
Why does Honda use 5 aluminum plates and 2 steel plates in the CR 250 clutches. Is it the fiction coefficient difference, or maybe the heat resistant, or maybe the wear characteristics, or maybe to lessen the rotating mass of the clutch. Any ideas, I would love to read them. Zero, you said that you use all steel plates. Are they the same as the 2 steels in the stock clutch, but you run 7 of them. Or are you running aftermarket steels, if so what kind. Does this give you a noticeable heavier flywheel effect? I currently run a (I think it is) 10 oz. Stealthy FWW. For the kind of riding I enjoy the most, the more FWW the better.
As far as fiber discs go are stock Hondas better than, Barnett, EBC, DP, Pro-X, Moose, or anyone else who might make them? Which run the cleanest, give a good engagement feel, with good durability.
How about springs? I ran heavy duty springs in 1992 KTM 300 EXC for 1 ride, never again will I run heavy duty springs. I think I would have been in less pain if I would cut my left hand off. Oh how quickly I went to power shifting. How does the CR react with heavy duty springs? Not that I would use heavy duties. Does anyone notice any slipping in their set-up with standard rate springs? Please spec. your set-up for good comparison sake.
From what I have read so far, stock Honda brake pads are the best choice by far. Seems true to me, all Hondas street and dirt have had great brakes lately.
Good info here, I hope we get more.
Thanks
Why does Honda use 5 aluminum plates and 2 steel plates in the CR 250 clutches. Is it the fiction coefficient difference, or maybe the heat resistant, or maybe the wear characteristics, or maybe to lessen the rotating mass of the clutch. Any ideas, I would love to read them. Zero, you said that you use all steel plates. Are they the same as the 2 steels in the stock clutch, but you run 7 of them. Or are you running aftermarket steels, if so what kind. Does this give you a noticeable heavier flywheel effect? I currently run a (I think it is) 10 oz. Stealthy FWW. For the kind of riding I enjoy the most, the more FWW the better.
As far as fiber discs go are stock Hondas better than, Barnett, EBC, DP, Pro-X, Moose, or anyone else who might make them? Which run the cleanest, give a good engagement feel, with good durability.
How about springs? I ran heavy duty springs in 1992 KTM 300 EXC for 1 ride, never again will I run heavy duty springs. I think I would have been in less pain if I would cut my left hand off. Oh how quickly I went to power shifting. How does the CR react with heavy duty springs? Not that I would use heavy duties. Does anyone notice any slipping in their set-up with standard rate springs? Please spec. your set-up for good comparison sake.
From what I have read so far, stock Honda brake pads are the best choice by far. Seems true to me, all Hondas street and dirt have had great brakes lately.
Good info here, I hope we get more.
Thanks
Clutch Talk
Why they use some aluminum and some steel plates, I have no clue why? I haven't changed my clutch out in my 2002 yet, but on my 2000 I went through one clutch and I swapped out 2 or 3 (I forget exactly) of the aluminum plates for steel plates. (they are all the same, just different material) I couldnt tell any difference.
Aluminum contaminates the oil more quickly than still...causing slippage. (I think) I change my oil every 3 rides. (1 ride equals about 1 hour) I did some research on the best oil to prevent slippage, you can read and research until you are blue in the face and still not know what is best for you. Since I change my oil frequently, the oil never gets a chance to break down, so the type oil isn't as important for me.
I have never used after market clutch parts. Honda stuff works great, and I have a hard time fixing something that isn't broke. Standard springs also. I am a heavy clutcher..so I don't want it any harder than it already is for my old hand.
Hope that helps. I'd like to know why they use aluminum at all in there?
Why they use some aluminum and some steel plates, I have no clue why? I haven't changed my clutch out in my 2002 yet, but on my 2000 I went through one clutch and I swapped out 2 or 3 (I forget exactly) of the aluminum plates for steel plates. (they are all the same, just different material) I couldnt tell any difference.
Aluminum contaminates the oil more quickly than still...causing slippage. (I think) I change my oil every 3 rides. (1 ride equals about 1 hour) I did some research on the best oil to prevent slippage, you can read and research until you are blue in the face and still not know what is best for you. Since I change my oil frequently, the oil never gets a chance to break down, so the type oil isn't as important for me.
I have never used after market clutch parts. Honda stuff works great, and I have a hard time fixing something that isn't broke. Standard springs also. I am a heavy clutcher..so I don't want it any harder than it already is for my old hand.
Hope that helps. I'd like to know why they use aluminum at all in there?
The reason for the 2 steel plates in the center is to handle the heat generated in the center of the clutch. The end plates get better cooling from the oil than the center ones do. I also switch to all steel plates. They do not wear and contaminate the oil, but the primary reason is to tame down the power a bit. The steel plates slip a bit more and also weight more so they act like a flywheel weight.
SiCnTwIsTdYz
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well go with the stock honda plates and this is for everyone with yamaha,kawasaki and suzuki's too, go with stock plates and springs and buy a hinson clutch basket, the genuin honda,yamaha,kawasaki,and suzuki plates and springs seem to last longer than the aftermarket plates and springs same goes for top-ends, i heard people say that they're stock pistons will outlast their wiseco's,vertex's,pro-x and other pistons they used they said they burn up , i re-build my top-end with the genuin yamaha top-end and its still running strong from last march, but im gonna re-build it again, on the brake pads, ive used both EBC and stock pads and i find the performance just as good as they are with stock pads, just to mention about your clutch components the guy at hinson even sdaid to my friend when he called to go with the strock plates and springs and just buy a hinson basket
A dealer friend told me someone made the brake pads for Honda. I don't remember who. I use SBS brake pads and they feel just as good or better than the stock pads on my 01 CR250.
Honda OEM is quality. There are alternatives in some applications out there that are just as good. Don't get caught up in paying extra just because it comes in that pretty Honda wrapping.
Honda OEM is quality. There are alternatives in some applications out there that are just as good. Don't get caught up in paying extra just because it comes in that pretty Honda wrapping.
SiCnTwIsTdYz
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they do?, i never knew that though ill check into it,how did you find this out? anyways honda's have the best brakes the cr's that is
I tell ya', some people will buy a bag of poo if it said Honda on the side of it. Do you really think Honda fabricates everything that is on a CR? Many parts like pads, tires, rims, electrical items chain and sprokets are fabricated by other companies for Honda. Those same companies also sell their wares as aftermarket. When I read that people think that their Honda OEM stuff is better than some other brand, sometimes the same mark that fabricates for Honda, I die laughing. They are just so brand loyal it's sickening.
Yes, Niks ProX pistons are not only like stock but are stock. Your dealer isn't going to tell you this because he wants you to pay extra for the OEM. It doesn't matter to me because I get either for the same price. If I couldn't get a good deal on the OEM I would use the ProX pistons. This information has come to me from several good sources. I first learned about it when I used the ProX pistons in Sea Doo personal watercraft several years ago.
For brake pads I use SBS. My dealer buddy told me who made the pads for Honda but I forgot who it was. I just recently got turned on to SBS and like them very much. Just as good or better than OEM Honda.
Yes, Niks ProX pistons are not only like stock but are stock. Your dealer isn't going to tell you this because he wants you to pay extra for the OEM. It doesn't matter to me because I get either for the same price. If I couldn't get a good deal on the OEM I would use the ProX pistons. This information has come to me from several good sources. I first learned about it when I used the ProX pistons in Sea Doo personal watercraft several years ago.
For brake pads I use SBS. My dealer buddy told me who made the pads for Honda but I forgot who it was. I just recently got turned on to SBS and like them very much. Just as good or better than OEM Honda.
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Niks/Pro-X/ART is the factory supplier of pistons to Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, & Yamaha.
KG is he factory supplier of clutch plates to Honda, Kawasaki, & Yamaha.
Nissan is the factory supplier of brake pads to the bike 4, even those who do not use the Nissan calipers.
KG is he factory supplier of clutch plates to Honda, Kawasaki, & Yamaha.
Nissan is the factory supplier of brake pads to the bike 4, even those who do not use the Nissan calipers.
AJ Waggoner
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Sometimes
"from the same factory" does not mean
"exactly the same part" ...
Honda , Yamaha etc etc all "spec" thier parts from a manufactuer.
Many times contracting that the particular "spec" can not be duplicated for another manufactuer or aftermarket co.
(just like Ford and Chevy)
hence nissan pads and master cylinders being diffrent between brands.
even though they supply everyone.
just something to think about...
<shrugs>
I do agree with Marcad that many times it IS the exact same part..
but it takes some reasearch to be sure of that.
"from the same factory" does not mean
"exactly the same part" ...
Honda , Yamaha etc etc all "spec" thier parts from a manufactuer.
Many times contracting that the particular "spec" can not be duplicated for another manufactuer or aftermarket co.
(just like Ford and Chevy)
hence nissan pads and master cylinders being diffrent between brands.
even though they supply everyone.
just something to think about...
<shrugs>
I do agree with Marcad that many times it IS the exact same part..
but it takes some reasearch to be sure of that.
I went with a Hinson Clutch Basket and pressure plate with EBC plates and springs and kicked myself in the ass for it afterwards. They didnt feel the least bit different from stock on my CR 500 and my plates lasted till 91'. I switched back to the factory basket with new honda plates and to be honest clutch pull feels easier and the feed is better. I dont want to start a confrontation, its just my opinion to stick to stock oem. I know they put more technology in the 125's and 250's so you may see a difference in them but not a 500.
Also for some reason on my last ride with the hinson/EBC setup when I stopped the bike to adjust the airboot I noticed that after the 15 minutes it took to adjust the boot when I started the bike i had to seriously adjust the clutch cable for some reason. That doesnt sound good. when I put the stock on I had to put the cable back to wear it was. :D
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What do you guys think about DP brake pads and clutch plates? I was just at their web, thier stuff looks good. Or it could be good marketing. Here is the web link to DP http://www.dp-brakes.com
I've used dp[dunlopad]pads on my cr and consider them to be by far the best.The next time I had to change pads I bought sbs for the front and ebc for the rear.The feel at the lever and the brake pedal is not nearly as nice.As for clutch plates I use the stock fibers with steel driven plates.My stock basket had major grooves in the tangs so installed a hinson.That was at least 4 years ago.The same plates are still in there. Supposedly the aftermarket fiber plates have narrower fingers so they slam back and forth in the basket more.
cr125_king
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I too also changed my stock aluminum clutch plates for stock steel ones. However this acted in some way like a flywheel weight which i didn't mind. Just thought i'd mention this.
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