TM 400 4t

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I've seen a few pictures and read a few blurbs about TM's new bike and all I have to say is "MAN, WHAT A GREAT LOOKING BIKE." I know, I know, it's the inner beauty not the outer beauty that counts. What do you think. Can TM, being a very small company, build a good, reliable 4 stroke. Do they have the technology? Is this bike going to be the real McCoy? Or is it only going to be a beautiful pin-up in PlayBike magazine?
 
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I have been e-mailing the US importer about TM's new four stroke for over a year. Finally in very late February, he received an evaluation model and he was very impressed. There were some jetting changes to be made and some suspension setup as well. At the time, I was told inventory should be in the country is 60 days.

About six weeks later I checked on the status of the bikes and was again told 60 days. That should have meant end of June.

The website for the US distrubutor used to be TWSUSA.com. I have not been able to access that page in some time??? I know they also used to bring in the VOR bikes, but that may have changed recently.

If the importer still is Motoman, aka TWSUSA, I think they are in good shape. I have spoken to Pete Vetrano on several occassions and he always seemed to be on the level with me. That is, of course, only my experience, but it is something to go on.

If I were to buy a new bike right now, this bike would be on the list. Cycle World said there bike had old world style low end, but ripped on top. They thought it had a much lower center of gravity than a 426.

Parts availability, reliability, etc, I don't know. I like owning a unique bike and am willing to risk the uncertainty that accompanies it.

Greg M
 

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Originally posted by Greg M
I was told inventory should be in the country is 60 days.
About six weeks later I checked on the status of the bikes and was again told 60 days. That should have meant end of June.

Greg M
Yea, and gasgas was saying their 4s was to be available in the US as far back as September of '99...
 
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I can tell you from experience that TM has a VERY high standard for reliability and when the bike is released it will be up to the TM standard. Parts availability has never been a problem. TM has gone through some changes this year in manufacturing trying to upgrade production numbers to fulfill the requests. Demand has always far outweighed supply. Production may be maxed out just trying to supply 2-stroke orders. Don't forget that TM has a long history of making extremely fast cart motors (they even have classes just for TM-powered carts because they smoke the other brands so badly). TM knows how to build motors. Iin 1994 TM decided to build a 250cc motor for the first time, 9 monthes later it was in prduction and worked great. Too bad the new motor isn't slated to has e-start (or is that the hold up?).
 
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Originally posted by TexKDX


Yea, and gasgas was saying their 4s was to be available in the US as far back as September of '99...
There is just a little bit of difference here. I have been talking to the importer for the past year. Have you been talking to GAS GAS for the same length of time?

I know that Pete was in Italy last July test riding prototypes. He did not even hint at a delivery date back then.

The evaluation models were the Italian production bike (as far as I know) and it was a simple matter of fine tuning the bike for the US market. Also remember that Cycleworld has tested that same model.

GAS GAS has not had a four stroke tested by any magazine that I have seen. They are also struggling with fuel injection.

It turns out the page for TM, www.twsusa.com, is still up and running and I e-mailed them to get an update on their four stroke. I will post back with whatever I find out.

Greg M
 

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Why so argumentative, Greg? What is your point? I'm not disputing anything you have said, am I? All I'm trying to do is point out the similarity in that both brands are experiencing delays in bringing a 4s to market, and the importers keep giving dates that keep slipping.

For the record, yes gg has had prototypes being tested by magazines.

You still got a problem?

TM may be small when it comes to motorcycles, but the parent company makes plenty of motors.
 
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I did not know that Gas Gas has had magazines testing their new four stroke. I watch them all very carefully as I am passionate about exotic bikes.

I just sold my Husky 360 five minutes ago and were it not for needing the cash to complete a video project, I would buy a new bike this week.

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tm 250

Just picked up my tm 250 enduro. first ride impressions.
very fast
very cool
very eazy on the eyes
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TM's 400 fourstrokes are available now over here!
There was a TM dealer at the "Offroad-Challenge 10 hrs. Enduro" near Leipzig last weekend, who competed with the bike. Before the race he let people testride it and those guys were deeply impressed.
As far as I know the bike ran fine during these 10 hours with no problems.
Very beautyful bike!
 
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I just got an e-mail from the importer who said their evaluation model has performed flawlessly but production units are still 45 to 60 days out. Maybe the bike you saw was the same one the importer referred to. It would kind of make sense that they are sending the bike across the country for some heavy duty testing and thrashing.

Greg M
 
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Greg M,

Thanks for the info. Nice to hear the bike has preformed well thus far. Since you seem to have a rapport with the importer, can you do us a favor and ask him a few questions about the bike? How does it handle compared to the YZF and RFS? What is the engine like? YZF or RFS. Have they decide to stay with the 400 and 530 combo or are they going to produce a 450? Did they have to revalve the Paiolies or did KYB really help them? Just general questions. I would very much appreciate it. I sure would hate to plunk down 7 G's for a hopped up KLX.

Thanks for your help.:)
 
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Badgas,

I just sent off an email and included your questions. I will post back as soon as I get a reply.

Greg M
 
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Sorry for net getting back to you sooner, but I haven't gotten a reply. I will resend it.

Greg M
 
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Here is the reply to my request to Pete for more information about the bike. I can't remember which questions you (whoever you are ;)) were hoping to get answered, but I did forward them word for word.



Thanks for your email. TM 4 strokes handle great. But we need to keep it in
perspective. These bikes are imported in Enduro trim softer suspension,
lights, etc. When our 530 MX bike comes out that would be the time to start
comparing to YZF or RFS.
Regarding suspension the 4 strokes will have ohlin forks, although the Paioli
work great on the Enduros.

Best Regards,
Pete