Wardy any truth to this?

[oldguy]

Found it on the Wis MX site snd was wonderring how accurate it is. I hadn't noticed it discussed here yet


http://www.amadirectlink.com/rulebooks/bulletin6_15.asp

AMA competition bulletin: amateur motocross class rules changes

June 15, 2007

Please be advised that the AMA Board of Directors ratified a new amateur motocross class structure for the 2008 racing season at its May 2007 meeting.

Nationally recognized amateur motocross classes for 2008 will include:

* MX Lites (100cc-153cc 2-stroke/151cc-250cc 4-stroke);
* 125 Class (86cc-125cc 2-stroke only)
* Motocross (154cc-285cc 2-stroke/251cc-450cc 4-stroke);
* 250 Class (126cc-250cc 2-stroke only);
* Open (251cc-500cc 2-stroke/390cc-650cc 4-stroke).

Displacements may be OEM or achieved by aftermarket modification.

The amateur motocross class structure for 2008 also includes Plus 25, Veteran 30 and Veteran 40 for riders at least 25, 30 or 40 years old, respectively, riding two- or four-stroke motorcycles with displacements of 86cc-open; and a Women's class for women riding two- or four-stroke motorcycles with displacements of 80cc-open.

The AMA amateur motocross classes for 2008 will also recognize a Pit Bike class. The specifications for the Pit Bike class are still being finalized and will be submitted for AMA Congress approval at the October meeting.

The 2008 structure for AMA Youth Classes will be the same as in 2007.

The new class structure is the result of a directive the AMA Board of Directors issued to AMA staff late last year to consult with technical experts in the field and recommend a measured approach to leveling the playing field between two- and four-stroke motorcycles in amateur motocross.

 

[whenfoxforks-ruled]

Well that amounts to a whole lot of nothing,and recognizing the pit bike class!!!Unbelievable!Well at least in my opinion they are admitting there may be a difference and making the 2t class!Their handi cap and sound are still a dead issue with them bozos!And no +47 class,what the heck!

 

[wardy]

Yep AMA took a handful of "executive" congress members (these are the chairmans of all the upcoming committees) and sat down with staff and "specialists" meaning big promoters and came up with this rule change.

Guess we don't need congress anymore. Which is fine not to waste time with this mind numbing process in which they preach to you what your going to do, how your going to do, and then get pissed when you come up with a new idea which don't fit their marketing plan.


I think this is nothing more then a slide of hand, to prove that a 2 stroke isn't viable, and it will be easy to blow it away once and for all in the near future. If they don't have championship classes at LL for it, it's a waste of time.

They got alot of heat on this issue, they know it. There are districts ready to leave, over the lack of concern to their well being. So this in my opinion is reactionary rule making because of that pressure. they read these boards to.

but short answer, yet it's true lol.

They have no need for "open" class, they should just run those few machines in the "motocross" class.........by the way, this is there way to make us use those stupid class names.



lastly, I was not a part of any of this. :bang:

 

[whenfoxforks-ruled]

Gerhard,if you did not do it,and I sure as hell did not do it,then who?Oh yes,wait a minute,I may know a guy!WHITLOCK!!!!!!

 

[oldguy]

Wardy is it OK to cut n Paste your responce to the thread over at Wis MX?

 

[wardy]

absolutely. This isn't a secret, and quite frankly it truely shows what AMA is going to be doing in the future. (my opinion)

 

[bclapham]

Dave- does this mean Azzie will have to run 30 motos instead of the normal 20 odd????

i dont mean this in disrespect mate, i just find it astonishing that people will show up to wait for another 21 classes to go off the gate before their next moto.

someone needs to setup an REM franchise out in the midwest.....sign up at 8 am, practise at 9 am, racing starts at 11am and everyone is on the way home at 3pm, after everyone gets two 15 min practise sessions and two 15 + 1 lap motos (25 min for the pros).

 

[oldguy]

Dave- does this mean Azzie will have to run 30 motos instead of the normal 20 odd????

i dont mean this in disrespect mate, i just find it astonishing that people will show up to wait for another 21 classes to go off the gate before their next moto.

someone needs to setup an REM franchise out in the midwest.....sign up at 8 am, practise at 9 am, racing starts at 11am and everyone is on the way home at 3pm, after everyone gets two 15 min practise sessions and two 15 + 1 lap motos (25 min for the pros).

20 would be a relief we had 760 riders last week and ran at least 28 gate drops
I was at the harescramble we ran last month and like the idea your class has a set start time and set race time so you could actually plan a day. Now to convince Spider that is thetype of racing he likes :nod:

 

[150rguy]

Now I cant ride my 150 in 125 anymore :(

 

[Chili]

Gerhard,if you did not do it,and I sure as hell did not do it,then who?Oh yes,wait a minute,I may know a guy!WHITLOCK!!!!!!

Given that Steve Whitelock is employed by AMA Pro Racing as the Director of SX and MX I seriously doubt he had any input into Amateur class structure.

 

[XRpredator]

Given that Steve Whitelock is employed by AMA Pro Racing as the Director of SX and MX I seriously doubt he had any input into Amateur class structure.

now Chili, don't be takin' guys' scapegoats away. ;)

 

[lwsmithjr]

Now I cant ride my 150 in 125 anymore

The CRF150 has never been legal in the 125 class....

 

[150rguy]

The CRF150 has never been legal in the 125 class....

Yes it has

MX lites- 00-144cc 2-Stroke/126-250cc 4-Stroke

:coocoo:

 

[nikki]

* MX Lites (100cc-153cc 2-stroke/151cc-250cc 4-stroke);
* Motocross (154cc-285cc 2-stroke/251cc-450cc 4-stroke);

I wonder how long until the manufacturers start making stock 153cc and 285cc 2-strokes? At least engine guys like Eric Gorr will stay busy...

 

[lwsmithjr]

Yes it has

MX lites- 00-144cc 2-Stroke/126-250cc 4-Stroke

Not to nit pick here, but the 150 is classified as a "mini cycle". The 125 class is a 'motorcycle" class. Mini Cycles are not allowed in ANY motorcycle class with the exception of Youth (schoolboy), Women's and Vet classes. Mini's are governed by an additional section of rules.

Your track may have let you do it, but technically it's not legal.

 

[nikki]

Not to nit pick here, but the 150 is classified as a "mini cycle". The 125 class is a 'motorcycle" class. Mini Cycles are not allowed in ANY motorcycle class with the exception of Youth (schoolboy), Women's and Vet classes. Mini's are governed by an additional section of rules.

Your track may have let you do it, but technically it's not legal.

Yep.... I think there might be wheel size or wheelbase clarification where that is captured... for minicycle versus motorcycle?

 

[150rguy]

They let me race 125 beginner at Washougal, which is AMA sanctioned.

 

[whenfoxforks-ruled]

Dal Smilie, Chairman
Northwest Region
410 Hayes Ave.
Helena, MT 59601
www.dalsmilie.com

Stan Simpson, Vice Chairman
South Central Region
P.O. Box 1028
Cibolo, TX 78108

Croft Long, Assistant Secretary
Kawasaki Motors Corporation
9950 Jeronimo Rd.
Irvine, CA 92618

Jeff Smith, Assistant Treasurer
North Central Region
4000 Mountain Ln.
Wausau, WI 54401

Ken Sutton, Member, Executive Committee
Harley-Davidson Motor Co.
11800 W. Capitol Dr.
Wauwatosa, WI 53222-1007

Jon-Erik Burleson
KTM North America
1119 Milan Ave.
Amherst, OH 44001

Andy Goldfine
Aerostich/Riderwearhouse
8 S. 18th Ave., West
Duluth, MN 55806

Art More
Southwest Region
16153 W. Starlight Dr.
Surprise, AZ 85374

Carl Reynolds
Southeast Region
5011 Cobblestone Dr.
P.O. Box 4423
Danville, VA 24540-0108

John Ulrich
Roadracing World Publishing, Inc.
581-C Birch St.
Lake Elsinore, CA 92530 As always,Chili's correct,But,bashing whitlock is in!Missing is Dipietro,Dingman and Johnson.Supposedly at least 3/4ths of these individuals are responsible.And 150 dude,your bike is a mini,it is restricted by wheelbase and rim size.

 

[FruDaddy]

They let me race 125 beginner at Washougal, which is AMA sanctioned.

Just because a promoter let you do it, doesn't mean that it was legal by AMA standards. Also, even though the track hosts AMA sanctioned events doesn't mean that all of their races are AMA. For example, Bremen MX holds several AMA races each year (including this years LL SE amateur regional) but they also have an outlaw series that "loosely" follows the AMA rules. Also, even the Lorettta Lynn races use a slightly modified version of the AMA rules, I seem to recall them having supplemental rules of MXSPORTS.com.

 

[wardy]

It's 1/2 inch to short (wheel base) to race as a motorcycle. but most don't worry about it since the bike is not likley to be dominate in the class. Can be rode if it is "stretched".

So you guys know the rules that passed congress had only ONE VOTE last fall and this guy is the one that vcted for it.

Jeff Smith, Assistant Treasurer
North Central Region
4000 Mountain Ln.
Wausau, WI 54401

He happens to be our region trustee.

 

[whenfoxforks-ruled]

Unbelievable!Even the ktm guys!

 

[wardy]

got this today.
Then you have them do this, with a "few" selected people. So they just make anything they want to. ANd you can see we can thank AMA Staff for the new class structure, Tad is the only No vote on this.

================================================== ========================

Additional information on amateur motocross class rules changes
Dear Congress Delegate,

Some Congress Delegates have raised additional questions about the Competition Bulletin issued June 15 about changes to amateur motocross class rules.

The original Competition Bulletin was sent out to all current AMA Competition Members and to AMA promoters and promoting clubs, in addition to AMA Congress Delegates. Since it was sent to all three groups, it did not go into detail about the approval procedure.

These rules did go through the Executive Committee before being passed along to the AMA Board of Directors. The following is a copy of the minutes from the meeting.

An Executive Committee Meeting was convened on May 2, 2007 via telephone conference to discuss rule proposal number 37. All of the current AMA Off-Road Executive Committee members were present. They are as follows:

Ed Santin, Off-Road
Tad Dewalt, Motocross
Al Sumner, Track Racing
John Arens, ATV
Chris Hardy, At Large 1 Year
Joseph Bromley, At Large 2 Year
Rule number 37 was designed to do away with handicapping of 2-strokes and 4-strokes. The AMA Board of Directors turned this proposal down and directed AMA Staff to create plans for future class structure. With the 2008 season approaching quickly AMA Staff researched and put together two proposals for the upcoming season. In addition they will have additional plans to present to AMA Congress for 2009 and beyond in October of this year.

The first of these two proposals was to eliminate 4-stroke machines from the youth classes from 50ccs to 85ccs and to leave Super Mini and School Boy as they existed. This proposal was amended by the Executive Committee and they changed it to read as the current class structure does for the 2007 season. This was voted on and passed with a 5-1 vote.

The second proposal put forward by staff was to change the existing Amateur classes for Motocross. There was a long discussion on this topic. The proposal that staff presented to the committee was passed with a 5-1 vote.

I hope this information clarifies the process used to approve this rule change.

Sincerely,

 

[whenfoxforks-ruled]

The big cheeses wasn't even there!5 people who have nothing to do with mx!Don't they even abide by there own rules of order?Was this in Ohio?