When government regulates doggie bags . . .

robwbright

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The below illustrates the ultimate problem with "minor" infringements of personal rights - they always become major after the door is opened - and that includes everything from what you consume to government listening in on phone conversations. . .
It creates a slippery slope.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50630

When government regulates doggie bags
Posted: June 14, 2006
By Walter Williams

Down through the years, I've attempted to warn my fellow Americans about the tyrannical precedent and template for further tyranny set by anti-tobacco zealots. The point of this column is not to rekindle the smoking debate. That train has left the station. Instead, let's examine the template.

In the early stages of the anti-tobacco campaign, there were calls for "reasonable" measures such as non-smoking sections on airplanes and health warnings on cigarette packs. In the 1970s, no one would have ever believed such measures would have evolved into today's level of attack on smokers, which includes confiscatory cigarette taxes and bans on outdoor smoking.

The door was opened, and the zealots took over. Much of the attack was justified by an Environmental Protection Agency secondhand-smoke study using statistical techniques that, if used by an academic researcher, would lead to condemnation if not expulsion. Let's say that you support the attack on smokers. Are you ready for the next round of tyranny using tactics so successful for the anti-tobacco zealots?

According to a June 2 Associated Press report, "Those heaping portions at restaurants – and doggie bags for the leftovers – may be a thing of the past, if health officials get their way." The story pertains to a report, funded by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, or FDA, titled, "Keystone Forum on Away-From-Home Foods: Opportunities for Preventing Weight Gain and Obesity." The FDA says the report could help the American restaurant industry and consumers take important steps to successfully combat the nation's obesity problem. Among the report's recommendations for restaurants are: list calorie-content on menus, serve smaller portions, and add more fruits, vegetables and nuts. Both the Department of Health and Human Services and the FDA accept the findings of the report.

Right now, the FDA doesn't have the authority to require restaurants to label the number of calories, set portion sizes on menus or prohibit allowing customers from taking home a doggie bag. That's for right now, but recall that cigarette warning labels were the anti-tobacco zealots' first steps. There are zealots like the Washington-based Center for Science in the Public Interest who've for a long time attacked Chinese and Mexican restaurants for serving customers too much food. They also say, "Caffeine is the only drug that is widely added to the food supply." They've called for caffeine warning labels, and they don't stop there. The Center's director said, "We could envision taxes on butter, potato chips, whole milk, cheeses and meat." Visions of higher taxes are music to politicians' ears.

How many Americans would like to go to a restaurant and have the waiter tell you, based on calories, what you might have for dinner? How would you like the waiter to tell you, "According to government regulations, we cannot give you a doggie bag"? What about a Burger King cashier refusing to sell french fries to overweight people? You say, "Williams, that's preposterous! It would never come to that."

I'm betting that would have been the same response during the 1970s had someone said the day would come when cities, such as Calabasas, Calif., and Friendship Heights, Md., would write ordinances banning outdoor smoking. Tyrants always start out with small measures that appear reasonable. Revealing their complete agenda from the start would encounter too much resistance.

Diet decisions that people make are none of anybody else's business. Yes, there are untoward health outcomes from unwise dietary habits, and because of socialism, taxpayers have to pick up the bill. But if we allow untoward health outcomes from choices to be our guide for government intervention, then we're calling for government to intervene in virtually every aspect of our lives. Eight hours' sleep, regular exercise and moderate alcohol consumption are important for good health. Should government regulate those decisions?

Dr. Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va.
 

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This is an interesting issue and I had read about this the other day. A couple of points:
1. The issue with smoking (not really the point of this article but it was cited)is apples and oranges. Smoking causes harm to everyone around you and at best is nuissance that other people shouldn't have to tolerate.
2. I generally agree with the point being made that the government is over legislating everything. The problem is too many people are too stupid or lack the responsibility to care for their own needs though. I have no problem them requiring the labeling on food as far as calories though.
 

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we should give these people with nothing better to do but think up more **** like this something worth while to do!! :bang:

i dont see it as apples and oranges, i see it as the govt deciding whats good for me and my family. first of all i may go to the mexican/chinese restaurant cause im on my last 8 bucks and know that i can get 2 days worth of food out of them. the fat person may diet for 29 days straight and reward themselves with french fries, etc. etc
 

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ellandoh said:
i dont see it as apples and oranges, i see it as the govt deciding whats good for me and my family.

I was only refering to the smoking issue. When you eat at the Mexican restaurant, it doesn't hurt the person sitting next to you (well at least not until you've had a chance to digest it :laugh: ) as smoking does.

Otherwise though, yeah, I don't want them telling me what to eat or how much. It should be an individual choice.
 

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That's assuming you buy completely into the second hand smoke "studies".
 

JST122

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Okiewan said:
That's assuming you buy completely into the second hand smoke "studies".

Well you dont really have to buy into the health effects side of things if you just consider that most non-smokers just dont like the smell or the itchy eyes, scratchy throat and coughing that it immediately causes. I know for me its not like I am worried about long lasting health effects from the guy next to me smoking, I just dont want to deal with breathing in the unpleasant smelling smog that it emits. Where as I am not even slightly bothered by the guy next to me pounding down 3 days worth of meals at the all you can eat chinese buffet. So I have to agree with hajiwasapunk in that they really arent on the same level so the comparison is a stretch. But that wasnt the point of the article anyway.
 

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Okiewan said:
That's assuming you buy completely into the second hand smoke "studies".
Agreed. I have no problem with a resteraunt or buisness that has a no smoking policy. I am outraged that a business or resteraunt MUST be non smoking. If you don't like the smoke, go somewhere else. Would you still go to the same resteraunt that was smoke free if the food and service was bad while avoiding a resteraunt that had great food and service AND did allow smoking? Your choice don't you think or are you much to complacent in allowing the government to tell you what you can and cannot do. :ahhh:
 

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take your vitamins, and dont forget to brush before bed.......................
 

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ellandoh said:
take your vitamins, and dont forget to brush before bed.......................

Good one! :)
 

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JST122 said:
Well you dont really have to buy into the health effects side of things if you just consider that most non-smokers just dont like the smell or the itchy eyes, scratchy throat and coughing that it immediately causes.
Isn't this avoided by taking three steps to the left? :p
 

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FruDaddy said:
Isn't this avoided by taking three steps to the left? :p

Usually you need to be a bit further away. But I guess you could just pick up your table in the restaurant and try and move it somewhere else providing there is room. :whoa:

But that wasnt my point, my point is you dont have to buy into the fact that second hand smoke is harmful to find it a nuisance to you. Where as it is difficult to make a claim that the guy stuffing down four unhealthy portions is.
 

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JST122 said:
Where as it is difficult to make a claim that the guy stuffing down four unhealthy portions is.
I don't want to be trying to enjoy a reasonable dinner while the tub of goo at the next table is slurping down a 20lb turkey. Then again, a 300 pound woman can absolutely ruin my apetite and make me wish I had made my order "togo". Seing some people eat is enough to make me nausious (sp?).
 

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FruDaddy said:
I don't want to be trying to enjoy a reasonable dinner while the tub of goo at the next table is slurping down a 20lb turkey. Then again, a 300 pound woman can absolutely ruin my apetite and make me wish I had made my order "togo". Seing some people eat is enough to make me nausious (sp?).

:laugh: Well I dont know how to help with that one. Maybe thats just it, curbside to go.
 

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JST122 said:
Well you dont really have to buy into the health effects side of things if you just consider that most non-smokers just dont like the smell or the itchy eyes, scratchy throat and coughing that it immediately causes.

FruDaddy said:
Isn't this avoided by taking three steps to the left? :p

JST122 said:
Usually you need to be a bit further away.

I think he mean left as in liberal ...

I support big government stepping in and fixing a situation, except when "I" don't think there is a problem. Then I want the government to stay out of my life. :p

As far as smoking goes ... I don't care, but no longer like the smell.

As far as food goes ... I think many of the portions served are too big, but that is the way it is. I ordered a small CFS at Mary's on Tuesday instead of a medium. Chains generally are not that flexible, but mom and pop restaurants can gain an advantage by being more flexible.

I still have not dove into the 55 and older menu ... soon, but I am still 18 between the ears. :nener:
 

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Tony Eeds said:
I think he mean left as in liberal ...
Nope, I just meant to walk away. If someones smoke bothers you, step far enough away that it doesn't bother you anymore. If the buttsucker follows, explain that the smoke is bothering you.
 

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Tony Eeds said:
I think many of the portions served are too big, but that is the way it is. I ordered a small CFS at Mary's on Tuesday instead of a medium. Chains generally are not that flexible,
If you pay for it, that doesn't obligate you to clean you plate. And that's the beauty of the doggy bag. When I dine at my favorite mexican restaurant, I will often order the foot long burrito (it's huge), I eat what I feel like eating there, put the rest in a togo box, and have it for breakfast the next day.
 

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