Are we killing our own sport?
- Thread starter Jackpiner57
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- Aug 2, 2000
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Indeed. Trouble is you still have the punks who think "loud is cool". I am doing my part to educate the "punks" in my family that stealth is cool.Okiewan said:
Now we just gotta convince the manufacturers to give us the lighter QUIETER stuff. I'd gladly suffer a minimal performance LOSS for a large loss of noise. I don't think I'm alone.
Hear me, FMF/ProCircuit/Big Gun/et al? The market is out there. Start the development.
I'm putting something together on DRN to get the word out... stay tuned. We sure can't solve the problem, but we can make a lot of folks aware of it. One aftermarket company has already commited to get involved. We're gonna raise a stink and guilt as many people as we can into going quiet. Even Thump :p
- Mar 28, 2003
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XRpredator said:
You're not, the "noise is cool" frame of mind is ridiculous . I'd gladly step up and help try to educate those who think that the louder the better.
I just put a Pro Circuit T4 (I think...I don't really know...) on my bike, and it does make the TTR louder, but not ridiculous loud, not unnecessary loud. Same with Rooster's WR...he just put the FMF Q (once again I think, I don't know...) on his bike and that quieted his down. The uncorked stock pipe on the WR hurts your brain, literally. I had to wear earplugs when I rode it, but you did suffer serious power loss with it "corked."
so...what do we have to do???
Last weekend at a district 17 harescramble it was announced that next year there will be sound checks at the harescrambles. This is good. It will be a mess at first, will take time to test all the bikes, somepeople will try to cheat, but it is step.
I hope they do it right, no half-ass testing and letting some people go.
I have a couple freinds that have recently bought 4 strokes and the first thing they did was put a loud pipe on it. :bang: Now a couple of them dont race, if they did they would get midpack C class at the next Hare Scramble at best.
They are running what the pro guy they like is using, (brand name wise anyhow). I have been calling them posers lately hoping they will switch them back.
I hope they do it right, no half-ass testing and letting some people go.
I have a couple freinds that have recently bought 4 strokes and the first thing they did was put a loud pipe on it. :bang: Now a couple of them dont race, if they did they would get midpack C class at the next Hare Scramble at best.
They are running what the pro guy they like is using, (brand name wise anyhow). I have been calling them posers lately hoping they will switch them back.
ls1cameric
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I noticed the same thing this past saturday at the track. There were a TON of crf's/ yzf's out there and you really couldnt hear anything when those things start screaming. It's freaking LOUD! I can totally understand your outlook and i have to agree. There has got to be something done about the noise or it will ruin the sport.
- Aug 3, 2004
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As much as nobody wants to say it. This was not a problem before 4-strokes came on the market. It's just the nature of a high compression, cammed out 4-stroke to be loud. It's going to take a huge effort and a step away from current muffler design to get these things anywhere close to as quiet as a 2-stroke. I'd love to see it happen, I just don't see it happening until someone big steps up to the plate and forces it to happen.
Sure it was.... it's the same complaints it's always been. All the 4-t did was change the order the complaints were listed in. Noise is now number one, pollution has been removed. Dust, evevironmental damage, etc are still on the list. Trashed riding areas, riding illegally... it's all still there.
Don't get me wrong, noise is our number one problem and something needs to be done. It starts with the Big 5; they CAN make a powerful but quiet motorcycle. Then it's the aftermarket companies. They toss out stupid-loud exhaust that at best moves the power around and saves a couple of pounds, things that benefit the elite racers and do nothing measurable for the average weekend warrior. They too can mfg a lighter pipe that increases power and is quieter. Problem is? They'd actually have to engineer a product and that costs them more.
Until we as a group put the pressure on, nothing is going to change. How many times have you've seen a young one come on here and ask about getting a loud pipe for his ttr? What's the typical response? THAT is one major thing we can do... "education" We've got to get past the louder is faster BS. When we stop buying the loud pipes, they'll stop making them.
BadgerMan
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- Jan 1, 2001
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If you are old enough to remember bikes like the early YZ’s with nothing but a little bulge on the end of the pipe or the TM 400 with nothing but a stinger, you will remember how loud a 2 stroke could be. And, it was the same old mis-informed reasoning……..more noise equals more power. We learned how to make fast but quiet two strokes. Now we need to do the same with the new generation of four strokes. Okie’s right in that if we quit buying loud aftermarket exhausts, they will quit making them.
- Aug 2, 2000
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Exactly. Noise has always been a complaint. How many punks with their ratted out smokers do you still see out there? plenty. Yes, the 4 strokes have increased the noise, but I think part of that is not only people switching to the 4 from the 2, but also some other people joining the sport on the easier to ride bikes. I would bet we've seen a boom in the dirt biking population. More bikes = more noise.BadgerMan said:
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Good thread..........4stroke OR 2stroke.......stealth is :cool:
- Aug 2, 2000
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I ain't just talkin' moto, Vulf. LOTS more professional practicers out there.
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Yes sir
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Okiewan said:
Absof'nlutely
D37 went manditory 96 dbs on 01/06 and a lot of tracks around here are headed that way.
Also, we can blame the bike manufacturers and we can blame the aftermaket, but I blame the local dealers who are very aware of the sound issues but will still supply and push the 102 db level pipes to any idiot off the street
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skull creek mx
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Loud Sucks
With your permission, I'd like to use the "Loud Sucks" moniker at my track - I'll make a banner for the front gate. Once you get the website up and running, let me know and I'll add that to the banner to get more people educated and involved.
Okiewan said:
With your permission, I'd like to use the "Loud Sucks" moniker at my track - I'll make a banner for the front gate. Once you get the website up and running, let me know and I'll add that to the banner to get more people educated and involved.
kawicam125
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- Mar 14, 2006
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didnt honda make the 06' crf250r quieter with the dual-exhaust. i have a friend who owns an 05' crf250r and he said the twins made it louder and more powerful. once again, with power, comes noise. hopefully we'll pull together and push toward queiter exhausts.
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