CA red sticker and the 2006 ban?

[Can Can Kev]

i need some things set straight... what is this 2006 ban i keep hearing about 2 strokes will this be all 2 strokes or just new ones being produced... also im thinking about getting a brand new 03 cr 250 because i foudn a killer deal the the local dealer... is there anyways to pull a couple strings and get a green sticker, for example say u bought a 200 doller junker bike registered it and stuck the green sticker on your new bike doi the rangers know enough to run numbers and stuff.....?

 

[MrLuckey]

SoCal Wrecking Crew

 

[a454elk]

Yes, they check the stickers and the bike. If the bike is an 03 or newer, it will have a red sticker (2 stroke). If you have any doubts, ask Prvt Joker, hehehe. I've heard about the ban but is probably gonna happen is that the previous bikes will be grandfathered in and from then on, you can only ride closed course with the 2 stroke. I'm sure it will change by the time it comes around so no one knows for sure, especially DMV, and no, no strings to pull to get the green sticker.

 

[Pvt Joker]

doi the rangers know enough to run numbers and stuff.....?

Yes. Not all can or do, but I can tell you from experience it can happen.

If you want a green sticker, it's best to get a green sticker bike. There are lots of '02 and older green sticker bikes you can get killer deals on. I even have one I'll sell ya.

 

[NGE]

IF you get a green bike, and don't put any stickers on it, then they will just assume that the sticker blended in with the bike too much to be noticed and let you go... lol.... (a joke, obviously, I hope)

You can always run the risk and break the law... but then there is always the chance that you will get caught....

This whole thing has great interest to me, because, living in MN, I know that the environmental laws in CA soon make their way to MN.... what are the penalties for non-compliance?

 

[a454elk]

Fines, fines and fines. Unregisterd bikes can be impounded if they feel the need. It's best to have two bikes, one green one red, that'll solve the problem.

 

[NGE]

how do they decide when is OK for the red stickers?.. random?.... set by law? (if so, how did they choose?).. set by the forestry service? (if so, is it due to fire restrictions?) set by pollution control?

 

[holeshot]

set by pollution control?

That's basically it. I'm not sure on the details, but CARB decides which areas have higher levels of pollutants during the summer months and establishes the "no Red" periods for each riding area. Some riding areas (such as Kennedy Meadows) are remote from heavily populated areas and have low levels of pollutants all year, so Red (and Green) sticker bikes are allowed year-round.

 

[Can Can Kev]

Where I live up near Sacramento there are other private owned motocross tracks and properties to ride… so being stuck with a red sticker wouldn’t be to big of a bummer. The reason im looking at a 2003 rather than a 2002 is that I would rather have a BRAND new bike that one someone hasnt already womped on and beaten, that and the dealer I work at I get hooked up for bikes but not only that our owner wants these 03s GONE to make way for the 05s coming out not to far from now, im talking under cost guys. The main thing I was wondering about was weathor or not 2 strokes will get banned all together and throw money down the drain buying a 2 stroke. I thought maybe the banning would involve bike wit ha red sticker for example they ban all the red sticker bikes, which doesn’t make sence because a 03-04 crf 450 is a red and it doesn’t pollute near as bad, but whatever…. Looks like I wont be hittin Hollister till august or whenever the season opens oh well at least ill be rippin around on a new Red Racer ! :P

 

[ScottYZ250]

Hollister is open for Red stickered bikes 10/1 thru 5/31

Carnegie is open for Red stickered bikes 11/1 thru 4/30

just an fyi...

 

[jeffboulder]

Hey Guys,

I am currently in Texas but will be moving to CA next summer. I am unclear on all of the rules with red sticker and green sticker bikes. I have an 2001 Gas Gas 200 EC. Will I be able to ride it in the national forest and other trail riding areas or will have to buy a new bike in CA that has a green sticker? Just want to know in advance so I can sell the bike before I move if I need to.

Thanks

 

[Ol'89r]

Hey Guys,

I am currently in Texas but will be moving to CA next summer. I am unclear on all of the rules with red sticker and green sticker bikes. I have an 2001 Gas Gas 200 EC. Will I be able to ride it in the national forest and other trail riding areas or will have to buy a new bike in CA that has a green sticker? Just want to know in advance so I can sell the bike before I move if I need to.

Thanks

Jeff.

Just be careful and don't give out your address.. Otherwise the enviro nazzi's here in Kalifornia will come to your home in the middle of the night, drag you out of your house and beat you to death on your front lawn with your own 2-stroke. :yikes: ;)

Ok, just kiddin'.. :laugh: It's not quite that bad just yet.

Your '01 will get a green sticker. Anything '02 and older will get a green sticker. Many '02 and older bikes can even be dualsported/licensed.

Kev.
Like Elk said, the 2-strokes will be grandfathered in. They can't take them away from you. The AMA is currently working to pressure CARB and DMV to be a little more reasonable so things may change by 2006. The AMA now has people in Washington to lobby for our side. This is how it has to be done these days.

I urge everyone to join the AMA and as many other off road groups as you can afford to join. The AMA and several off road groups are joining forces to fight against the unfair practices of CARB and DMV who seem to make the rules up as they go along.

Anyone living in Cali or thinking of moving to Cali had better get involved in these land issues while we still have a few places to ride. :ugg:

Just my $ .02

Ol'89r

 

[jeffboulder]

Thanks Ol'89r. So with a green sticker, I am off-road legal anywhere?

Thanks

 

[a454elk]

You are legal in all OHV parks and national forests. Just need a sparky, that's all.

 

[JWW]

You are legal in all OHV parks and national forests. Just need a sparky, that's all.

a quiet sparky...please
:ride:

 

[ironworker]

California Officials
To Ban Two-Strokes!
Citing concerns over the state's air quality, officials of the California Air Resource Board (CARB) have decided to go ahead with a plan that will prohibit owners of two-stroke motorcycles and ATVs manufactured after January 1, 1997, from registering their vehicles with the state's "Green Sticker" program. The action effectively bans new two-stroke vehicles from use except at closed-course competition facilities, reports the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA).
Off-road motorcycle and ATV enthusiasts, led by representatives of AMA District 36 (covering northern California and northwestern Nevada) and with the support of the AMA and its District 37 (Southern California) organization, tried to negotiate with CARB officials to gain some exemptions within the new regulation. However, those negotiations have failed to achieve any significant results.

The new regulation has raised a great deal of concern within the off-road recreation community because of the ramifications of banning an entire class of vehicles in California, a state that comprises a large portion of the U.S. off-road motorcycle and ATV market. Motorcycles and ATVs manufactured before January 1, 1997, will not be affected by the new regulation, and negotiations with CARB officials will continue in hopes of securing exemptions for observed-trials motorcycles and for competition events, including desert racing.

"We recognize that California has some serious air-quality issues and that CARB has been charged with finding solutions," noted Eric Lundquist, AMA legislative affairs specialist. "But we disagree that this ban is the appropriate way to deal with those problems. We will continue to work with CARB officials to mitigate the impact of this regulation on California off-road enthusiasts."

For more information regarding the new CARB regulation, concerned enthusiasts can contact Dana Bell, AMA western states representative, at (310) 438-6527.

Let your local congressman know what you think and help fight for your rights by going to the AMA website and voting against this and laws exactly like this one that take away your freedoms here Http://capwiz.com/amacycle/home/

Rich.

 

[kdxtaz]

Can't the newer 2 strokes still get red stickered? I thought everything from 2002 & back got green stickers? Now I'm all confused again. I guess I'm glad my bikes are old so I don't have to worry about it. Never thought I'd say that!

 

[ironworker]

The law is very confusing but basically what I gather from all I have read is this: In 2006 a new Emission standard comes into effect, this new standard only allows a small amount of bad stuff to be produced from ANY OHV engine, with todays technology there is NO 2 stroke engine that will ever pass the emission standards set to take effect. ( I think if it smokes what so ever it will never pass)
In 2006 any 2 stroke motorcycle sold can no longer ride on any public lands but on a closed course and used for competition only.
Motorcross 4 strokes will receive red stickers and be subject to the same restrictions they are today.

The only bikes that will be legal to ride year around will be the bikes such as the CRF250 & 450 X which have a air pump that helps eliminate emissions. ( I don't know exactly what the pump does only that calif. makes it green sticker legal)

If you have a older 2 stroke bike it will become a red sticker in 2006 and you wont be able to ride at certain times of the year.

Like I said, this is what I gather from what I have I read,
If I am wrong on anything I have said, please post it here and a link where I can find the information.

Thanks.
Richard.

 

[holeshot]

So, they're changing it back to the old "manufacturer date of '96 or earlier for green sticker" deal? They just changed it to 2002 model year and earlier for green sticker, so they must be yo-yo-ing back and forth.......

The DMV still hasn't completely got a handle on the current sticker situation. If they start going back in time and weeding out four strokes from two strokes - well, I can't see it.

:uh:

 

[darringer]

I've noticed the last few times at Carnegie that the red sticker has cut down the traffic by about 75%. On any given weekend it would look like a freeway out there. Now that the red sticker law is enforced, it's downright lonely. It's great for me with my 99, but people trying to make a living from the riders are getting killed. Skip's shop is on the verge of closing. When I talked to him last week he said he had to lay off employees and is going to close 2 or 3 days during the week. Also he is going to sell the business and retire. For anyone that is familiar with Skip's, it's unbelievable. Just another way the green/red sticker affects people in the state. Sad, very sad.

 

[mikemike]

Confused new comer here. I'm currently stationed overseas in the military and will be moving to CA soon. I will be in the market for a new bike and I'm really at a crossroads. This is the only place that I have heard of the new regulation for 2006, I have scoured the internet trying to find other sources to no avail(AMA, CARB, CA OHV, other bike sites, etc). I would really like to purchase a 2002 or older 2 stroke and get a green sticker, but I don't want to waste my money if this is going to get pulled out from under me in a matter of months. Should I step up and spend almost twice the money to get a new 05 four stoke? I would appreciate any other info.

 

[darringer]

If you purchase a 2002 or older bike, whether 2 or 4 stroke, it will be green sticker forever. As long as it has a spark arrestor on it, it is legal to ride year-round. Any 2003 or newer can be a red sticker bike, meaning depending on where you ride, can be restricted to private property ridind only from late spring to mid fall. The red sticker is dependent on exhaust emissions, not whether it is 2 or 4 stroke. Not all 4 strokes are automatically green sticker. Most mx 4 strokes are still red sticker. Here is a link to let you know the dates that are closed for red sticker operation. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/offroad/ofhwymc.htm

 

[ironworker]

I grabbed this from a member on T.T. for anyone interested these are the links to the info you desire.

well this
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For off highway motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles, we proposed standards based mainly on moving these engines from 2-stroke to 4-stroke technology


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came from here... http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/2002/August/Day-14/a19437.htm

and this...
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For off highway motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles, we are proposing standards that would result in a 50-percent reduction and is based mainly on moving these engines from 2-stroke to 4-stroke technology.


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came from here http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/2001/October/Day-05/a23591a.htm

And last but not least, this...
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For off highway motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles, we are adopting standards based mainly on moving these engines from two-stroke to four-stroke technology with the use of some secondary air injection.


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came from here. http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/2002/November/Day-08/a23801.htm

The bottom line is that your 2005 and earlier 2 smoke is going to be ok, no you will not be outlawed from riding in public areas. after 2006 MFG's either have to have fuel injected 2 strokes or some other type of technology.

Breath Easy!
and don't buy a 2 stroke in 2006
Rich.

Hope this helps.

Rich

 

[mxpaint04]

Ok if i buy a crf20x out of state (California) and ship it into CA, when i get it registerd in CA will i get a green stiker or not. The reason for this question is i understand that California crf250xs are tuned differently then the rest of the 49state bikes to get a green sticker.

 

[a454elk]

Technically, if it isn't a CA bike, they probably will red sticker it. It doesn't take much to change it to the 49 state model though. I changed mine over and in doing so, it stated that by removing some of the CA items, it loses it's green sticker capability. They ran a test with the two versions in a Dirtrider article, I may still have it. They really weren't much different, and by rejetting, changing the needle and then removing the emissions pump, it was right there with the 49 stater.