They are a little better than they were in the spring, but still pretty deep. I lost my rhythm in one section, and just about went over the bars, then just about fell off the back. As I was holding on for dear life, the throttle went to full and I took a trip through the trees before I locked the brakes and stalled out. The problem had to be that CRF250X that was holding me up. OK, I switched bikes and the 250 just doesn't get up on top the whoops like the 450.