Defending the 2-strokes

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I Refuse to let them ban 2-strokes here In Mass. I like 4-strokes too but there is nothing quite like a 2-stroke. Tried to spread the word to the motorcycle USA forum but to my surprise only bout 3 people answered and were totally with the idea of banning 2-strokes.
 
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read about 2-strokes not being produced by 2006 on this forum so I called my buddy at honda and he said oh yeah its happening. DAMM I grew up on 2-strokes that SUCKS
 

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I dont think they will ban them. I think the big guys will stop putting money towards their drvelopment. We will be looking at riding "new" bikes that are behind the times as much as the KX 500. Great bikes, but out of date.

I love the two strokes. Nothing quite like being able to change a piston in 1 hour.
 

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So true. Ease of maintenance does it for me.
 
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seems everyone is talking about the 4-stroke 250's now which is cool but I just love the snappy reaction of the throttle on my 2-stroker.
 
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I'm glad someone brought up this thread...The epa is a blood sucking organization...

The one thing about 4 strokes is that it takes a full 250cc's to be competitive with 125cc two strokes...All you hear from the commentators when you're watching races is "how powerful the 4 stroke is" instead of correctly saying the power of extra cc's or the 250....It seems like the epa has infiltrated the motorcycle media and has instructed commentators to push the 4 stroke with carefully selected words or risk losing their jobs.

Another thing that I've noticed is that the big 450 4 strokes seem to be at a disadvantage in the REAL 250 class, especially when it comes to supercross....

I heard that James Stewart has chosen NOT to ride Kawasaki's 4 stroke next year...In the nationals this year he got a major holeshot and after the race he said "I don't know what the big deal is about the 4 stroke because the 2 stoke is really good" or something to that nature...He earned some major respect from me when I heard represent the 2 stroke.

Actually, it would be cool to continue with both...2 strokes can make huge power with a small capacity...The 4 stroke is complicated and it will be very hard for them to extract 2 stroke type power outputs...For example, a 125cc 4 stroke being able to equal a 125cc two stroke is going to be hard to do because right now it takes a full 250cc 4 stroke to equal a 125cc..I don't ever see it hapening...Not for a long time.

4 stroke handling is horrible when compared with a 2 stroke...They feel big and heavy and push the front end or stand up in turns.

I like them both but there is a need for continued development of 2 strokes...
 

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One other thing has to be the weight. The top 250 two strokes weigh about the same as the top 250 4 strokes. The 2 stroke has 15 more hp!

Imagine how the talk would be if the 2 stroke was being introduced?

This doen not even mention the noise factor. Tests be dammed. The 4 strokes that run well are noisy and irritating.
 

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If the consumers keep purchasing 4 strokes and the sales show thumpers are out selling the 2 strokes the manufactures are going to put the R+D into 4 strokes. Having mx 4 strokes in production the manufactures are making a killing on parts alone. This whole weight savings crap to compete with 2 strokes, the consumer is going to pay for it,these bikes are becoming disposable. It is pretty simple, more mechanical parts equals better chance of mechanical failure,especially making these parts lighter and lighter!!!!!!!! How do they figure mx 4 strokes are easier to maintain than 2 strokes. Oil filters,dropping 2 oils on the crf,and 1 on the yzf but I would drop the yzf more frequent!!!!!! Valves,cam, hot start, automatic decompression,accelarator pump,etc. Take away the 2 strokes and what next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Bigred455 you are right!, 4stroke has more parts and needs more service! This is the reason why manufacturers/businessmens prefering 4 strokes. More parts costs additional money, makes more failures -> then you have to buy a new parts (money) and make an additional service (money). Racing is not about sport but about money! And decisions about money are making businessmens, not sportsmens.
 
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I hate to say it boys but even th FIM is along with it, I am a trials rider and they are talk'n bout 4 pumper trial bikes and in an extreme case banning 2 smokes from FIM competion, It is all up in the air though but some of the trials manufactures are producing developeing 4 strokes
 
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I thinks it's already been said but we are are own worst enemy..... We keep buying more 4 strokes than two strokes than the MFG's will make them the priority. The Honda CRF450 is the #1 selling bike..... Where are the development $$$'s going. The CRF250 is getting tons of hype.... We are the owns buying them....

I have never ridden a 4 stroke but I am definitly concerned that I won't be able to sell my current bike.

Just my $0.02...

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whitesands im glad someone else has been noticing the way the comantators always talk about how the 4-stroke has soooo much more horsepower. I got so pissed of at david bailey and todd harris saying it so many times i scream profanity at my television. When a 4-stroke gets the holeshot they say its the horspower, when a 2-stroke get it, they say it was pure determination! just to let you guys know k-dubs 450 has 55hp, RCs has almost 60. I have seen a 125or250 pull a 250f or 450f so many times and noone says anything? Remember the 1st moto at washugol, james stewart was going head to head with brock sellards 250f and stewart was starting to pull ahead of him and david bailey said james cut him off, and sellards could't put that extra horsepower to use!!!! Also at red bud, ezra lusk and tim ferry came out of a corner and both of them were full throttle to the first turn, and lusk was pulling him! bailey said nothing, WTF.
 

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Todd, I think the 4 strokes have the horsepower....as they should. They are darn near twice the size!

I have ridden them and the power is there, but it is easy to forget that they need twice the displacement to be competative.

I cannot say I would never own wan or want to own one. The noise issue is just so bothersome to me. I know I can ride my YZ 250 by my neighbors and they barely notice. When my step-sons WR426 goes by them, they get mad.
 

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I think the writing is on the wall for two strokes but...
I just turned 30 and got a YZ125 to run in the 30+ class! Fight the power!!!
 
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