Here goes my Tim Olson rant

Originally posted by Truespode


DRN's desire to bash is minimal in comparison to the normal bashing I hear at other social gatherings on Sunday's (not races).

The tendency to bash is just a by-product of venting and as you pointed out the written medium can sometimes make that venting seem harsher than it is meant to be.

Ivan

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Ivan,
That appears to be a defense or justification of a practice that results in alienation or hurt feelings. Please correct me if I am wrong. In any case, bashing is not productive is it? Aren't there more productive ways to vent frustration or anger than venting or attacking in a public forum? Run a couple miles, go have a hard workout, rip up your favorite trail or track etc.

If you carry your line of reasoning on on to it's ultimate conclusion then you are in effect contending that all is well because there is less bashing here than at other forums or your Sunday get togethers. While that is good, it raises a question: what about the forums that have a zero tolerance policy on bashing, wouldn't that make them better? If it does, why not stop bashing altogether? Is it an unwillingness to consider the ramifications of this little bit of pathological human behavior? Which is; bashing is a form of verbal bullying.

There are legitimate complaints about products and services and complaints can be resolved. Bashing resoves nothing.

Thump,

The old saying "When you are up to your neck in alligators it's hard to remember your intent was to drain the swamp." seems appropriate here.

It appeares that with nobel intent you were trying to invite Tim to DW, Plan A. Frustrated in that you posted your rant, Plan B. Based soley on tolsens response here it does not appear that Plan B furthered progress of Plan A but rather may have damaged the chances for future success. Time will tell. In the meantime it appears that Plan A is abandoned for the time being

Certainly you did get validation for your feelings from others in the forum and tolsen did respond although the response was not what you had originally hoped. It your own words the resultant resolution was not the accomplishment of the original goal but validation of opinions and feelings. It is true that if you a customer that pays the bills you would have gotten a call asap, but thats business, no surprise there.

If the original goal was so important, why succumb to discouragement and burn the bridge you were trying to build?

and I want to spread the word.

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I wouldn't worry about that part of it too much. It seems MXA sales are down a few percent each year (see opp. thread)--and Dirt Rider and other mags who are promoting this site reasonably well are more successful.

Maybe he'll bash DRN in MXA--so call a spade a spade. So what? Any publicity is good publicity. I like this place very much, and don't care too much what MXA thinks. Besides, think about how many MXA types we'll be spared....

Originally posted by Okiewan
Are we going to be charged by the hour for all this advice fishhead?

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Of course not! How much do I owe You? ;) Later!