Denny, thanks for the reply! I only weigh about 190 W/O gear but my camelback, boots, helmet and fanny pack with tools puts me over 200 and I'm having a hard time getting the proper sag while maintaining the proper bike free sag. I put a little more preload on the 8.0 I am currently running to get the rider/bike sag closer to the mark but the free sag is a little less than recommended and the bike handles funny. The fella at the bike shop guessed I was in the 180 range and suggested the 8.0 also but my thick skull adds ten lbs. that isn't obvious. I definately appreciate the input/suggestions, thanks again for the reply. Have a good day....Nick