thanks for responding. the damaged filter i have is a factory honda filter, it only has one cleaning on it and the glue came apart, it had the factory filter oil on it and i was trying to get it out so i could use no-toil on it. i used to use no-toil products with a twin-air filter on my yamaha and never had a problem. it seems that no dealers around here ever have twin-air filters, only uni;s or white brothers. someone else also told me that the white brothers filter is made by twin-air, but i remember seeing in a catalog where it listed all the part numbers for the white brothers filters it said do not use no-toil products on these filters, i think it was in dennis kirk but im not 100% sure.