"Performance Chips, Anyone?"

Oct 22, 2000
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I love my V10, but I hate the gas bills! On average, I am getting about 10 - 12.5 MPG and the fuel bills are through the roof (and this makes the wife very unhappy!). In an effort to increase gas mileage and squeeze a few more horses out of the powerplant, I am considering a performance chip as well as a free-flowing air induction system, headers and a tuned exhaust. My dilema is this: Even though many outfits offer chips for my application, I have yet to see a side by side comparison of them. Has anyone here installed a chip on a Triton V10, and if so, what are your impressions? I occasionally tow my boat or my camping trailer (non 5th wheel variety), so this must also be taken into consideration. A supercharger may also be an option, but it's a bit pricey for me at the present time.

I now leave it to you, my DRN Super Duty Bretheren, to enlighten me once again. :confused:

RatTrap
 

Highbeam

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I can't answer your specific question, if that bothers you don't read on.

You will never increase the mpg of that truck enough to make the fuel bills go down significantly. Trucks are not designed to get good mpg. You are driving a 6000 lb brick with a huge engine made to pull huge things and that is why it has a huge fuel tank.

Consider the cost of a nice intake. K&N FIPK for 300$, might get you 0.5 mpg. 300$ gets you 200 gallons of gas.

Even the Banks kit that has all of the upgrades you suggested only gives like 8% increase in fuel mileage. Total. Including headers, air cleaner, free flowing exhaust, and anything else Banks thinks is necessary. 8% gives you a whopping 10.8 mpg on the low end for the thousands spent on upgrades.

If you wanted mpg, you should have bought a diesel truck, or even better is a diesel car like the VW TDI.

Trucks are gas hogs but I gladly pay to have the safety and power of a big rig. Plus when you're sitting higher you can look down on young ladies in their cars through the sunroof. :D
 

jeb

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I agree with Highbeam. Every big block I've had has been a terrible gas hog and even if you could get 10% better mileage through some mod, the mileage would still be poor. That was my primary reason for going with the duramax diesel. Now I just have to keep it long enough to make it pay for the $5k option. Of course, resale will be higher too so that makes the payoff point sooner. I've owned it for a year now and, so far, I love the truck and the mileage.
 

Jeff Gilbert

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I was comsidering a chip also, I have a 360 in my truck but I'm less concerened about the milage, I think it'll always suck. I have a 01 Dodge Quad Cab w/ a 360 in it and it's gutless. I towed my 16' trailer behind a Durango with the same motor and it pulled it much better than my truck. I had a Tahoe with a 350 and it did better too. I don't know what it is with my truck, it has the tow package but it's a dog when it comes to power.
 

CanadianRidr

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This may or may not help you. But I have this superchip pictured below in my 00 f-150 5.4.

One thing people don't realize when buying a chip is you NEED to run premium fuel (91-92 octane). This gets costly. Superchips has a formula on their webpage where it tries to justify the cost savings over the long term. I have yet to see them :confused: The MPG is better but the gas bill is a tad more expensive. Apparently in the end it saves.......

So that's the unknown down side. I also put on the K&N F.I.P.K which gave HUGE performance results, I still only gained about 2mpg, and some days it differs.

I think you may just be looking for an excuse to mod :aj: But seriously, these two items I installed barely save on the MPG, and headers arn't reccomended on these newer E.F.I vehicles anymore.
 

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dirt bike dave

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On my truck, the Superchip really helped the automatic tranny shifting and gave a nice power increase, plus a slight (5%?) mileage increase. I have an FIPK which helped top end power. I noticed a significant mileage increase by going to an electric fan. BTW, my truck is the little 4.2 V6. If you want to get more info on performance chips, check out www.f150online.com They have a chip forum.
 

Jeff Gilbert

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I have the towing package but I'm not sure what the gearing is but I'm thinking it's 3.55. When I tow my little trailer (5x8) I've gotten as bad as 8-10 mpg if there's a little bit of head wind. If no head wind and not up hill I can get 10mpg pulling my 16'. If I kick it down out of over drive and run 3000 rpm's it pulls better but the milage gets even worse.
 

Patman

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Rattletrap the V10 Ford is not ever going to get respectable mileage. That's not what it was designed for. I had one and it was a strong runner but mileage was a little worse than yours. The best improvement I got in MPG's was switching the entire powertrain over to Amsoil synthetics. I'm sure other synthetic lubricants would show improvements as well but that's the only one I can personally comment on.
 

Okiewan

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I think our Canadian friend might be mistaking the cool sound of the FPIK for "huge" increases in power, lol. It does help (have it on the Grand and had it on the F150), but "huge" isn't the word I'd use. The 250 has a much better intake than the 150, a little cutting here and there, a K&N drop in you end up with an FPIK. Pretty sure the V10 uses the same intake. $50 for the K&N and worth it.

The Superchip is on it's way back for reprogramming, (removed it from the 150) I can't wait! The right Chip is a great bang for the buck mod, probably the best. The "Chips" forum at f150online rocks, loys of good info.

Another advantage of the 250 is the exhaust, 3" stainless all the way back, I just cut the stock muffler out and stuck in a Flowmaster 40 Series Delta Flow.

All that being said (open the intake, free the exhaust add a chip) I also use Mobil 1 (increase mpg by 1 just doing that oil change), my mpg is up right at 2.5. Obviously, that's not huge, but do the math, at 1.5 per gal it adds-up over time, not to mention the mile between fill-ups... 25 gal tank goes 62 miles farther :)

Now the real reason I modded it? I like the seat of the pants gain for small $.
All in all, it's about a 30 HP increase and the chip cleans-up that CRAPPY factory shift program.
 

CanadianRidr

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I think our Candian friend might be mistaking the cool sound of the FPIK for "huge" increases in power, lol

Ehhh........ummmm.......well it is a lot louder :) VROOM!!

But in my application it did help quite a bit mainly do to the fact that on my truck it had the semi-free flow exhaust with the SVT tuned muffler and 3.5 inch dual slash cut tips :aj:

With the stock box and all that extra plumbing it was really chokeing up the truck, as soon as the F.I.P.K it complemented the exhaust and really opened er up.

I know mods after mods make you not realize things as much, but even after the new larger throttle body and spacer got put on, I still don't think it was as worthy as the F.I.P.K

VROOM

I just cut the stock muffler out and stuck in a Flowmaster 40 Series Delta Flow.

And you have had this truck for what? A week now :aj: ROFLMAO, you are a giant kid :)
 
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whyzee

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Do these chips work for the Z71, and do they really improve the shifting? I remember as a kid we would install shift kits in the trannys and replace the torque converters with high RMP stall units. Not interested in banging gears, but my Chevy runs like I am powering everyone’s AC compressor for the day, and the shift is slow soft.
 

MrMXer327

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I installed the Banks Power Pack on my Ford V-10. The V-10 is installed in a 30' Motorhome and I did want a little better fuel mileage out of the beast, but more importantly.... I wanted to be able to roll down the highway pulling a 16' trailer loaded with bikes. This goal was accomplished and I did gain about 1 - 1.5mgp. (As long as I keep her below 75) I have not installed a chip yet, basically because I want to keep running the 87 octaine fuel. Overall, I am pretty happy with the package offered by Banks and their quality is top notch.
 

CanadianRidr

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96whyzee, yes the chips are avaible for most vehicles. And yes they are similar to a shiftkit, but not exactly. They definately clean up the shift points and put them in better positions. The f-150 likes to break them loose inbetween shifts now, and with the foot stopped down it will shift hard :aj:
 

Jaybird

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Is it not possible that by installing a hot chip, your engine may end up being hotter than the drive train was desinged to take?
 

Okiewan

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Originally posted by Jaybird
Is it not possible that by installing a hot chip, your engine may end up being hotter than the drive train was desinged to take?
The most I've seen from a chip (gas engine vehicle) is 28 hp and 48 ft lbs. In the author's case, he has 4R100 tranny; safe up to 500HP stock. That's a number from a Ford tranny tech at Dearborn. That trans comes in SVT Lightnings and Super Dutys, but not regualar F150's.
 

Okiewan

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Shifting? Yup, most chips increase line pressure... some a little others a lot. If you didn't know it, the car makers program "soft shifts" on purpose, a lot of folks don't want to know it is shifting. The program reduces hp/tq during the shift as well as causes a delay. This is actually harder on a transmission than quick, firm shifts. There are line pressure mod only kits that are hard on the pump in the long run, Transgo and the like full shift kits and if you're lucky, complete valvebodys that are completely customized for your vehicle/trans.

Below is info from Factory Tech, the guy that makes the valvebody I'm installing this weekend :p Gregg is a trans guru with the Lightning crowd, he builds a complete hardcore trans called the "monstor box" as well.

Good info about kits:

 

zio

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Okay, come on now- you guys who state you notice an increase in mileage from 17 to 18 in city driving (just an example, not quoting anyone)- how can you accurately measure that? Your right foot & daily route is that consistent? Your tire pressure never varies? Your airfilter is always clean? I think there are too many variables to determine an increase/decrease in such a small increment. :confused:

I fluctuate every week, between about 18 to 22 city. It varies quite a bit. Nevermind the fact that my driving is usually mixed between city & freeway, and never an equal split between the two from week to week.
 

zio

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Originally posted by TTRGuy


You WHAT?? Hey keep it clean in here buddy :p

PS Try changing your diet!

Sorry man, but my doctor has me on a strick diet. Beans & broccoli chased with milk is what he recommends.

BTW, you wanna bunk up at DW? Me and Elk have room in our tent! :p
 
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