Chili said:So it wasn't straight up when they left at the same gate drop? This James has never been beaten when he hasn't crashed stuff makes me laugh. The guy is an amazing rider but part of being a great champion is learning where the line is and how well you can walk that line. Lot's of guys can go faster than their limits right before they yard sale.
well said. :cool:truespode said:Thump,
If you want to throw out stats then lets throw out RC's versus Stewarts since Stewart supposedly never beat RC straight up either. Or we can throw out MC's stats (remember he won the SX championship in his Rookie year).
Bottom line, gate drops and Stewart rides over his head often enough to throw championships away. That is being beaten straight up. Nobody took him out but himself. He just ran out of talent.
Stewart crashing and losing championships is no different than Windham doing it when he was with Team Suzuki. Windham had the most talent and speed at any given time but couldn't put it together enough to win.
Stewart is a great rider and one of the best ever but to give him some title as fastest ever or anything other than what is actual to his true records is inaccurate at best.
Even Stewart has said he has had to learn to ride within his limits so he can win more. Otherwise he'd be just another Pastrana and have to do MTV for a living instead of race SX.
I think we need to stop making excuses for Stewart not being the best ever.
He is great. That should be enough.
Whether he is better than Reed THIS year or not is to be determined and will most likely be decided by his ability to stay ON the bike and not because he is the fastest person for a few laps before falling on his arse again.
Ivan
I guess I have had the same question.whenfoxforks-ruled said:How many of JBS's, riding outside his comfort zone crashes, are really just that? What about the chit happens factor? His bike set up is so bizarre, only to be 1 upped by RC's bizarre setup? JBS takes the lead BACK again in 2! Maybe some feld drama, Bubbles juggling act, or the chit will fall on Chadwick? Fact is, these last 3 races WILL be interesting!
Who knows who's weakness? I'm confused. :think:Chili said:Sounds like Chad may have a date with the principal http://motocross.transworld.net/2009/04/09/catching-up-with-john-gallagher/
Here is the point I am trying to make. James has been competing in this class now for 4 years (this is his 4th season) of the 3 prior years he competed in he has won 1 world championship (2nd in AMA series) 2006, 1 AMA Championship in 2007 and a "terrible" rookie season in 2005 winning 3 races.truespode said:Thump,
If you want to throw out stats then lets throw out RC's versus Stewarts since..... and so on...
thump said:What more do you want from the rider, do think he is a failure because of his rookie season? Because the other 2 seasons have been pretty damn good and this year is looking better and better each weekend.
ODM2 said:I'm not sure that is anywhere near what Ivan or anyone has said. The argument was made that Chad (or others) wasn't winning "straight up".
I think everyone concedes that JS is brilliant, and talented, etc. He wins. He loses.
And... the argument is... when he loses it is a loss. Period. Other guy won. Not "James beat himself" which is making excuses for someone who is obviously accomplished enough that no one should be making excuses for him. It's a silly argument, and makes him look pathetic, which he clearly is not. Let his record stand on its own.
Wins and losses.
Thump said:Here is the point I am trying to make. James has been competing in this class now for 4 years (this is his 4th season) of the 3 prior years he competed in he has won 1 world championship (2nd in AMA series) 2006, 1 AMA Championship in 2007 and a "terrible" rookie season in 2005 winning 3 races.
So in 3 years:
1 -- AMA Championship
1 -- World Championship (finishing 2nd in AMA series)
1 -- Bad rookie season (winning 3 main events)
This year (his 4th season) at very worst he will finish 2nd in points. To the best of my knowledge, only McGrath has more championships during his first 3 seasons. I guess I just fail to understand why so many consider JBS to be a let down. He is winning more races and championships than any other rider, aside from McGrath, in the history of this sport? Are you disappointed because he pushes himself beyond his own limitations sometimes? I understand that his rookie season was a disaster, so was RC's. I know he should have won the AMA title in 2006 and 2007, but he didn't, he took a first and a second. Given that his second place was to the greatest of all time, I think I am okay with that. Should he have won? Probably, but RC dropped a race that year too with a busted linkage, that is the only reason CR was close in points. What more do you want from the rider, do think he is a failure because of his rookie season? Because the other 2 seasons have been pretty damn good and this year is looking better and better each weekend.
ODM2 said:I'm not sure that is anywhere near what Ivan or anyone has said. The argument was made that Chad (or others) wasn't winning "straight up".
The post above states otherwise.Ando400 said:In fact if he doesn't win this season that will be seven major SX/MX championships (not including 125/250F seasons of which I think there is at least one) he's failed to win because he couldn't stay on the bike.
I wonder how many it takes before "choker" or "underachiever" is a more appropriate title?
Didn't he withdraw from the series in 2008 due to knee surgery from an outdoor injury before the series started? I could be wrong about that.Ando400 said:Actually this is his fifth season of SX, don't know why you omitted 2008?
It must be so, because Chad is running the #1 plate. Bottom line, if James are RC were/are in it, Chad is 2 or 3.Thump said:Didn't he withdraw from the series in 2008 due to knee surgery from an outdoor injury before the series started? I could be wrong about that.
Thump said:H I guess I just fail to understand why so many consider JBS to be a let down.
Thump said:So in 3 years:
1 -- AMA Championship
1 -- World Championship (finishing 2nd in AMA series)
1 -- Bad rookie season (winning 3 main events)
Maybe #2 would have won last year with consistency even if the fastest rider in the world didn't pre-crash himself out of the championhip. Bottom line...you can't give a series to a guy that didn't race it. Who ever thought Grant Langston would win a title that Stewart competed for...blasphemy.Okiewan said:It must be so, because Chad is running the #1 plate. Bottom line, if James are RC were/are in it, Chad is 2 or 3.
Maybe this year the eternal #2 wins with consistency?
1.) Nobody can know the answer to this. :whoa:Vic said:I have a couple of questions.
What would the point standings be if JBS's Yamaha was fuel injected?
Is it JBS's fault that his Yamaha is not fuel injected?
Micahdawg said:I think Bubba was much more at a disadvantage outdoors when Kawasaki was late to enter the 450 thumper game and Bubba had to race a 250 smoker against everyone elses 450.
SpDyKen said:1.) Nobody can know the answer to this. :whoa:
2.) How could it possibly be his 'fault?' Last I heard, he's just a contract employee for YMUS, and a relatively new one at that. Product planning and development decisions are made 2 to 5 years befor a model is prroduced. I really do not think that YMC was asking for Bubba's input back then, IMHO. :think:
Now I have a question? How and why does any of this matter? JBS and Larry Brooks knew what bike (and it's specs.,) they would be racing well before they signed their contracts for this season. They agreed to race the '09 YZ450F. What does carburation, and lack of F.I., have to do with anything being discussed here? I'm at a loss. Maybe Yamaha's FI (under development,) does not work well when a bike falls on it's side, and prevents a bike from starting after tipping over. Maybe that's why they decided to stay with a carb. for '09.
Just how are we to know any of this? What good does wild speculation here do?
This is what I want to know! ;)
"If"Vic said:You guys missed my point.
JBS gave up 18 points to Rad Chad The Mighty Warrior at A1, because he couldn't get his carber restarted.
No way to know if he could have recouped all 18 points, but it's a safe bet that he would have gotten back more than 5. And you know what that means. :nod:
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