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truespode · Dec 9, 2003

posted by whitesands26
It's mostly luck of the draw in races like we saw last weekend.

If you've ever raced in mud you would realize just how ignorant that statement is.

posted by Nephron
Now maybe I'm wrong (and I would defer to Nikki to some degree since she actually races), but SX is about tight track skills, deep whoops, big jumps and cornering speed...not sloshing up one side of a jump for 5 seconds, and down the other for 2.5 seconds.

The series I run is called an SX series. They run heat races and mains. They have a lot of jumps (mostly table tops though) and it is a tight course with a long whoop section. I have raced more than one mud race there and have passed on a few too.

SX does have to face the challenges of the environment. It is part of it.

I understand that only the spectators think it should be high flying triples all the time but those that actually race in the stuff realize just how tough it is to race in the mud.

Honestly, I have a much better shot at clearing an SX triple than I do completing one lap on a track like Seville was.

I would not want the racing to be like this all the time b/c I do like watching the air and the whoops but I do enjoy it happening every once in awhile. For me it was even more entertaining b/c you had absolutely no clue what was going to happen, who would take the wrong rut, who would reach for a tear off at the wrong time, etc.

Ivan

James · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by whitesands26
For all you Yahoooos that "love ta go racin in dat der mud over yonder" then go right ahead and proceed to blow up your bikes and do all other sorts of damage to your bike for one stupid mudslingfest so you can "get dem valuable points in that there beginner seeeeries at the local track over yonder".....

Ignorance must be bliss..lol

POSER :confused:

LocoCD · Dec 9, 2003

Since we seem to be stuck on the differences between SX and MX - they are prety clear to me... and local MX tracks are generally NOT SX tracks, they just use the name to get riders there. Lets take a different tack...

Was this a "Championship Caliber Event"? AMA does "decertify" events if they are not championship quality. At every level. Did that track and race represent a championship caliber event in anyone's eye's? Should it be the determining race (and it could be) in a champioship race?

Entertaining? Yes
Difficult? Yes
On par with a championship SX event? No Way, sorry fellow mudders (and I race/ride in the mud all the time) your wrong on this one.

nikki · Dec 9, 2003

Here is a post from Motonews by Paul Lindsey - Motoworld Racing Team Manager:

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Thanks to everyone for the props on Daryl's win

He deserves it! Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! I'm still on cloud nine! Side bar / major bummer of the weekend and little know fact: Andrew, from dead last passes Langston for 2nd with a half a lap to go......then falls :-(.....still dwelling on "what could have been" on that one. By the way, Boniface was ALSO in 3rd at one point, with about 3 laps to go (which was actually an eternity out there so that one didn't hurt as bad, but hey a 5th is good too!) I'm SUPER proud of our whole team and the extra effort that our mechanics put in to help Daryl win. From my point of view it looked like a blast!!! I was wanting to be out there, I love the mud!! :-) Oh well, thanks also to Clear Channel for inviting us over. I still can't understand how people whine about some things like the TV coverage, the open stadium, etc. All that I can say is educate yourself before you spout off, Clear Channel is the reason our sport is where it is today. There are many reasons that stadium was a very good choice, not the least of which was the fact that it only rains about 4 days a year in Seville. They may not always get it right, but they give 110% and they DO care about the riders and the sport, not just the money. I can guarantee you nobody could do it better than they are doing. Just my 2 cents as a fan of the sport mostly.

Paul

XRpredator · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by James, referring to Whitesands26
POSER :confused:

I could not have said it better myself. Now, Whitesands, why don't you go put on your Fox Racing hat (tweaked a little sideways, for just that right touch of style), your Ricky Carmichael T-shirt, and go polish on your bike some more, since it's probably too dirty outside to ride it. :|

It's a freakin' DIRT bike race, man! They ride on DIRT, which when wet, becomes this stuff called MUD!! Cripes, maybe they should cancell all races when it rains enough that it might dirty some poor sap's gear a smidge. :silly:

Cripes, if I waited until optimum conditions before I rode, I'd never be able to ride!

Rooster · Dec 9, 2003

Amen Pred.

A thought: Rain and mud doesn't stop Dirt Bike Races, but NANCYCAR will scramble for cover at the slightest hint of rain. :p

Maybe someone should get into another form of racing instead of dirtbikes? :think:

LocoCD · Dec 9, 2003

Is arenacross a dirt bike race? No chance of mud there.

How about supermotard - would they cancel one of these because of weather/track conditions?

Dirt Track - mile, never seen one on a real wet track.

Did you know they cancel hare scrambles and enduros when conditions get too bad?

I wonder why?

kmccune · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by oldguy

I also really liked it when Brown fried his clutch and the announcers figured "he was rotating his kill switch" 

 

Did you catch the follow-up to the rotating his kill switch..... that's and old cross country trick :scream:  They really do need David back!

 

Kevin

Rooster · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by LocoCD

Did you know they cancel hare scrambles and enduros when conditions get too bad?

I wonder why?

I guess I have never heard of such a thing. Hey, learn something new every day :p

LocoCD - that post was all tongue in cheek humor. :silly:

James · Dec 9, 2003

Entertaining? Yes
Difficult? Yes
On par with a championship SX event? No

I can basically agree with this.

I don't understand why all the fuss over technicalities though?? I admit that Truespode lost me on his comments about our local races being called Supercross too...but that is just him ;) But why fuss about how this was or wasn't exactly a supercross race?? The place had a hole in the roof......

Is arenacross a dirt bike race? No chance of mud there.

There is if they have a hole in the roof too.

How about supermotard - would they cancel one of these because of weather/track conditions?

If it was a safety issue...probably

Dirt Track - mile, never seen one on a real wet track.

Maybe this is the one you should be comparing to Nascar...I dunno, do they regularly bring knobby tires just in case? Aren't these dirt ovals usually set up to drain water rather quickly?

Did you know they cancel hare scrambles and enduros when conditions get too bad?

Probably because they don't want to excessively damage the course. They had to bulldoze that track in Seville anyway.

I surrender.

truespode · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by James
I admit that Truespode lost me on his comments about our local races being called Supercross too.

I was pointing out that I race as well and that Nikki wasn't the only one here that does (although she may be the fastest).

Also, SX is just a term and anyone can use it. That was the other point.

It's like pred said, it is a dirt bike race and dirt can get wet.

I have seen HS and Enduro's ran in worse conditions at the top level so if they cancel them it must be really bad... sorta like the MX finally.

Ivan

truespode · Dec 9, 2003

Ok, I had a good talk with James and understand where the miscommunication is coming from. Maybe I can do better this time :-)

I am in no way equating the SX series I run to what the pro's run. I am just saying that the SX we see now is only that way b/c of how SX has evolved. Those saying SX is supposed to be high flying and whoops and such are mistaken I believe. SX is a marketing term.

SX was designed to take MX into a smaller stadium so more fans could see the races easier. The turns, closeness of jumps and the way the obstacles were put together were done so to utilize the most space in the small area.

SX did not start out with tons of rythm sections and long whoop sections. AAMOF I remember the 1986 Anaheim race having a rather short whoop section.

SX has evolved into what we expect to see which is triples, rythm sections and unbelievable whoop sections. This evolution came about as the promoters wanted different things and the bikes became better and the riders were willing to push both the bike and the track to the limit.

Mud races are not uncommon in SX. They are not the norm however.

To say that b/c of mud it was not an SX is not giving the sport respect for its history or the riders respect for their effort. Mud races are extremely difficult and it takes a lot of talent and training to prevail.

We expect lots of jumps and high flying action in SX. Every once in awhile a race doesn't meet our expectations. The personal taste of the particular fan will mold their appreciation or dissatisfaction of the race but it still is a SX.

Ivan

marcusgunby · Dec 9, 2003

Hmm not enough biting here, i will have to play elsewhere , like the politics forum -you can always get a good catch there LOL.I think i need to re register under a different name, as you all know me too well and wont play my games:(

James · Dec 9, 2003

I would bite (you probably knew that :confused: ) but I haven't really taken exception with anything you have said so far.

Well, there is one thing:

U.S. RIDERS DO IT BETTER!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :yeehaw: :moon: ;)

kiwi_925 · Dec 9, 2003

How about supermotard - would they cancel one of these because of weather/track conditions?

No supermoto guys still race in the rain, well the world guys do at least, it happened at the 2nd to last round, it was as bad as the spainish rain.

2smoke i know what you mean, just a bit of tounge and check, its all good, but Hurl's has been in aussie for what seemed like sooo long.
They all raced and it was the same for everyone, it just happened to be someone without the high profile that RC or Reed or Bubba has, and because those guys are hurt it means that he doesnt deserve it?? Bullocks!!

LocoCD · Dec 9, 2003

The final test... if you would have flown to Spain, bought your ticket, paid for your hotel and gone to the event would you have been satisfied that it was a great race? Or would you have asked for your money back?

Hey all you old guys, didn't trials use to be about horrific conditions and impassable trails? How did it become rock crawling/hopping?

truespode · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by LocoCD
The final test... if you would have flown to Spain, bought your ticket, paid for your hotel and gone to the event would you have been satisfied that it was a great race? Or would you have asked for your money back?

I would have been satisfied. I also have one hell of a bench racing story to tell about how all the factory riders dropped out so they asked me to race for Honda America and I won!!! :)

Ivan

LocoCD · Dec 9, 2003

The benchracing would have to include stories about the impact you had on Spain's dating scene since US riders pull all the hottest chicks!!! The many Penelope Cruz look-alikes that melted in your presense like an SX track in the rain!!! Marcus get me another COLD Bud Light while I entertain these European babes...

Loco

truespode · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by LocoCD
The benchracing would have to include stories about the impact you had on Spain's dating scene since US riders pull all the hottest chicks!!!

That is one stereotype I can squash rather quickly!

Ivan

marcusgunby · Dec 9, 2003

How about a warm stout LOL-what is stout BTW??? sounds and looks horrid, drank by old crusty people who look a bit scary.

2smoke · Dec 9, 2003

True Marcus!!!.....for scary crusty people...Im going out to buy some Stout....

Hey LocoCD I think your getting confused...the ISDE used to be the ISDT. T for trial because it was a trial of endurance and ability...yes impassable trails and water crossings kind of like a cross country safari. Trials ridng has always bee about stupid rock faces and inpossible rock ledges. Ahhh to be old and crusty........and actually be able to watch a mud race and enjoy it.

dirt bike dave · Dec 9, 2003

2-Smoke,

I believe Loco was thinking of something along the lines of the Scottish Six Days Trial, one of the all time great motorcycle events.  It was started in 1909 as a 'reliability' trial, and it is still run annually.  The Scottish was considered the premier trials event by the 1920's, and they did not even start taking points for putting your foot down until the 1930's.  

Trials has certainly evolved over the decades.  Check out the history section at the SSDT home page,     www.ssdt.org

 

2smoke · Dec 9, 2003

I thought thats what I was referring to. Guys in flatcaps and goggles in an endurance or reliability trial. But I thought that evolved into Enduro racing as Scrambles evolved into motocross which then bore the ******* child that is Supercross (god bless it) which apparently cant be run in anything other than indoor climate controlled conditions. Hey thanks for the link I shall look....and learn.....after all I do like my motorbike history.

Okiewan · Dec 9, 2003

Seems to me the big issue here is fan acceptance / winning new fans... not the attitude coming from people who actually ride.

To say that the average fan that tuned into Seville enjoyed a mud race vs. a "regular" SX race, is kinda silly. If we are looking for more TV coverage, that wasn't a good ambassador for the cause.

From a rider/racer's standpoint, racin' is racin'. From Joe Blow sitting on his couch, it was big time boring.

TheJunkMan · Dec 9, 2003

and I can't believe this post hasn't been closed yet... because it is BIG time boring

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