Ted Nugent on VA Tech and School shootings

[SpeedyManiac]

Thankfully replies have remained relatively civil to this point and before anyone takes an extreme view of these comments as a Canadian I'd like to add a few comments of my own.

Our American friends need to keep in mind we are rasied in a completely different culture in regards to weapons, and more specifically handguns. They are so restricted here even those that own them legally can barely find ways to use them at the range given all the regulation. Given this the site of a handgun anywhere but on the hip of a Police Officer is an uncomfortable sight to most Canadians. I grew up in a family of Law Enforcement officers, have hunted and been around guns my entire life and still when around somebody handling a sidearm something registers in your brain that "this isn't right". Right or wrong it's a product of environment.

Chili's right on the money there. Personally, I have no problem with fire-arms, but hand guns still cause me a little bit of uneasiness (and I've shot some handguns before). That said, I still agree with the nooge, to a point. Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem. People fighting back is good, except when it starts to escalate and guns are being drawn over any disagreement. I could see this being a potential problem if anyone and everyone is legally allowed access to a gun. Just my $0.02, for what it's worth. :blah:

 

[Bakemono]

Already laws requiring education. California requires "Hunter Safety" prior to issuing a hunting license. Conceal permits require classes as well as demonstration of competent use of the licenced weapon. Gun stores require the passing of a written test on gun law and safety prior to the purchase of the firearm...Makes me feel so safe from they guy who follows the law. :coocoo:

Drivers are required by law to be trained and licensed in order to prove competence behind the wheel... Drunk drivers kill several times more people than careless gun owners and violent criminals with guns combined.

Guns [and cars] are not the problem...poor [self serving] choices are. :yell:

Ken

On a happier note: me and the boy are riding El Mirage tomorrow :cool:

Im not big into guns, so dont quote me on this, but I think Wisconsin has a similar concealed carry law in that you can be issued a permit to carry a gun providing you have proven proficiency in use of the gun and pay a certain fee (I think its something like $300 a year). That still doesnt stop anyone who wants to from owning a gun.
I will definetely agree with you that guns are not the problem, the people who make poor choices are. :cool:

 

[sprocket74]

People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms and weapons of mass destruction , to defend themselves, thier countries and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others and invade their lands, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens and countries are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones. Give everyone a gun and every country the "bomb" and peace on earth will finally occur.

Although I appreciate what Mr Nuggent has to say you can see how changing just a few of his words to put his statement into a global context makes things seem obsurd and crazy. Is gun control is the answer or should everyone have a gun the truth of the matter is the answer is somewhere in between. The only thing I do know is the person responsible for the horrible tragety at VT was a coward who could not stand up for himself without the feeling of power that only a firearm could give.

 

[lkwinnipesaukee]

I never thought so many people would be pro-gun. Thank you for understanding the Gun Culture. You guys rock! I love DRN!

Anyway, compare gun laws and crime rates. New Hampshire and VT, virtually anyone can possess a gun. How much violent crime is there? None? Massachusetts, very strict gun laws, and, well, the FBI just named us the most violent state in the northeast...



Did you guys hear about the Greenwich Village, NYC shooting about a month ago? Ex-Marine shot and killed two unarmed aux. police officers as they hid behind a car. If those police officers were allowed to possess firearms, they would not have died. I use this example because I witnessed it. It was terrible.


-Lkwinni (when I'm not riding, I'm shooting)

 

[kmccune]

I think that a lot of people are uneasy around any kind of firearms. I'd guess that they didn't grow up around them and can only see one bad use for them. That is my theory on the guns control types. I've never understood why they think that keeping you and I weaponless keeps criminals in the same state :coocoo:

 

[mandark1967]

well, handguns scare me, it just makes me think the person is up to no good.

if it was up to me, handguns would be unobtainable to the average person. the people that caused the shooting at VA Tech just walked into a gun shop and bought guns.

name one thing handguns have done that wasnt negative, not talking about law enforcement

How about 25 years of no murders? Shamelessly reposted from a link at Digg.




25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents


Kennesaw, Ga., City Hall

As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

This was not what some predicted.

In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.

Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer."

Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses, is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as many victims as possible.

Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on himself.

 

[XRpredator]

There have been a lot of opinions here, but for one glaring ommission . . .

what do you think, rob?

as for me, I think it's relatively obvious. If it's not, then I'll fill you in on the concealed weapon permit in my wallet and the 44 mag I had on my hip all day yesterday, hoping to encounter a bear while I was packing my 12 gauge through the woods trying to get a turkey to show it's ugly ol' head.

 

[matt-itude]

I support most of what has been said here. Gun free didn't pan out did it. I have a permit and carry when I take my family out. I do feel it is in there better interest even though the younger ones have no perception of it. Just like the people that wish I couldn't carry a side arm legally think they are safer without me or some one of the like around. Let me ask this simple question. Sitting in your home minding your own business young kids playing in the other room and someone(s) begin to force there way through your front door. On the table lets place a phone and a gun. Your choice. It should be anyways...

 

[oldguy]

Just like the people that wish I couldn't carry a side arm legally think they are safer without me or some one of the like around. ...

I wish we could make thm wear stickers proclaiming their wishes that I could not carry so I could walk away and let them fend for themselves...kind of like this winter when I came across a car stuck in a snowbank, as I was getting ready to hook up a chain to pull em out I noticed a couple bumperstickers proclaiming Iraq was being fought for SUV owners to get cheaper gas. I threw the chain in my truck and told them to call a friend with a non gas using vehicle to come out and pull them out

 

[Reesknight]

Its just like the old bumper sticker read, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Its as simple as that.

 

[Ol'89r]

I bet if you asked Ted he would be in favor of it being a law that everyone be trained in how to use a firearm QUOTE]


In the country that I grew up in we were trained how to handle guns at a very early age. At the age of about 10 I attended a gun class at the YMCA. (Alright Okie, I know what your thinkin'. ;) ) We were taught how to handle and shoot guns in a safe manner. In the cub scouts we also learned about how to handle guns. That country was known as America. It was a strong country where the people were proud and stuck up for themselves and their rights. It was a country that the rest of the world feared. It was a country that other countries thought twice about before attacking.

When I was around 12 to 14, I hunted with my father, uncle and cousin. I also learned from them how to safely handle a gun. I live in a rural area. If someone were to break into my home in the middle of the night, it would take the police a long time to get here. When they did get here, they would most likely find a dead intruder. If not, at least I know that I had an opportunity to defend my family and myself rather than be a victim with no defense.

The country that I live in now is not the same place that I grew up in. The majority of the people have become a bunch of spineless whiners that have no ability to make decisions for themselves or even take responsibility for their own actions. They look to their government to make the decisions for them and to support them when they fail. That very same government is trying to get the guns away from the citizens in order to make it easier to control them. All the more reason to own guns and the main reason for the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

People will always be killing people. If they have no guns they will use knives. If they have no knives they will use their bare hands. You can't protect everybody from everything.

If any of you see my America out there in your travels please let me know. I sure miss her. :(

Ol'89r

 

[RocketRaccoon]

Sorry Ol'89r , the lawyers and politicians killed her a long time ago. :ugg:

 

[kmccune]

Sorry Ol'89r , the lawyers and politicians killed her a long time ago. :ugg:

You're so wrong, its here but its a bit underground for the moment.
The present wave of delirium will clear... but for now we have old guys teaching their kids. :nod:

 

[RocketRaccoon]

You're so wrong, its here but its a bit underground for the moment.
The present wave of delirium will clear... but for now we have old guys teaching their kids. :nod:

Every time something like this happens...it goes even further underground. It would take a revolution to dig it up and I just don't see it happening. Add to that the fact that a Democrat will most likely be our next president and you might as well move to Canada. Do you have any idea what Hillary will do with our beloved firearms if she gets the chance? Bill was a piece of crap, but was still able to ban so called assault weapons. Enjoy the freedom we currently have because I have a feeling that its going to get real bad real soon. I live in NY and the ban never ended for us or our neighbors. We still have to deal with pre-ban and post-ban bullcrap.


P.S. - If anyone does want to start a revolution...count me in. :)

 

[SteveinSpringHill]

Growing up in rural Nebraska we had hunter safety classes every year in our public school. Guess that ain't the politically correct thing nowadays, but I'd say it was better learning about guns there instead of a video game.

 

[Jaybird]

Imagine if the brave professor, (holocost survivor) who blockaded his body against his classroom door to keep the VT gunman from entering and doing harm to his students, would have been in possesion of a legally registered firearm? He may well had be able to twart any more killings.
The brave man died defending his students.

Liberal politics has been at war with our Constitution, and it's most leathal weapon is the poisoning of our Citizens minds.

FWIW...I find the argument that if we all carried weapons, there would be gunfire with each argument, a completely absurd and unintelligent thought pattern. Obviously a thought pattern formed by lethal liberal rhetoric and absurdity.

Ted gets it...and he obviously sees what I see when he hears some of you dupes try to rationalize the liberal rhetoric that you have accepted as truth.

Am I treding a bit hard on those who disagree? Big stinkin deal!
My heart bleeds for you and your lilly livered liberal minds.

 

[Vic]

I wonder why Is this event more outrageous to us than the fact that more than 100 people are killed by drunk drivers in the USA each and every day?

Ken

Presumably, because the drunk driver victims were not intentionally executed.

 

[Vic]

There have been a lot of opinions here, but for one glaring ommission . . .

what do you think, rob?

I'm guessing Rob agress with Ted.

 

[Reesknight]

Speaking of guns, check this out lol.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267540,00.html
:cool:

 

[XRpredator]

I'm guessing Rob agress with Ted.

Great Jack Lord's hair, Vic, I'd guess that too, but I'd like to hear an opinion from him once in a while

 

[Vic]

Great Jack Lord's hair, Vic, I'd guess that too, but I'd like to hear an opinion from him once in a while

You're such a turd.

 

[mox69]

Ok I have a question for the anti-gun law people.


For a second I will agree with you and say that IF we let everyone carry handguns there might be more handgun related deaths. Lets say that Virginia passed a law that allowed citizens to carry a concealed handgun. Now lets say during 2007 15 people decide to use their newly concealed weapons to kill 1 person each. This would be pretty staggering and very unlikely, but just listen.


Now lets say that someone in VT's dorm room where this guy shot everyone was packing heat. He shoots and kills the crazy man after said crazy guy killed his first 2 victims.



That is still a net positive gain of about 15 people. Instead of 32 people loosing their life to one madman, 30 peoples lives were saved.



My state (a blue state!) passed a conceal and carry permit a few years ago. It was met with a lot of controversy. We've had it on the books now for 2-3 years and nothing worse has happened. It took 6 months for the first conceal and carry guy to shoot anyone. He ended up shooting someone trying to steal his car or something. Media made a big deal about it, but in the end he was in the right.



Also realize that no state has a law that allows anyone to conceal and carry. EVERY state that has a law limits it to people who pass a criminal background check and pay a fee. They also have to take a special handgun class where they learn how.





How can any logical person on this earth argue that banning guns in areas where it is easy to obtain guns is only going to keep the guns out of the hands of good honest people.

In just about every state in america you can find an illegal/black market handgun if you really want one. Gun bans just stop good citizens from carrying. They create a false sense of security because people think "Well guns are banned here, theres no way any person would have one." By allowing gun laws people stop and think "Well guns are allowed in some areas. In areas where we don't want them we should be checking."


Just my .02$

 

[BadgerMan]

My state (a blue state!) passed a conceal and carry permit a few years ago. It was met with a lot of controversy.

Land of ten thousand liberals........ ;)

My job requires that I travel to Duluth a couple times a year. It’s a great town but seems to be quite liberal. I was there right after your new CCW laws were put in place and I swear that half of the businesses in the downtown area had homemade cardboard signs in the windows that said NO GUNS ALLOWED ON THE PREMISES! I remember thinking to myself……what a great advert for a would-be armed thief!

What a buncha maroons!

 

[sprocket74]

Seriously guys everyone having a gun sounds great on paper, I can understand the logic. No one will want to mess with anybody in fear of being shot. The problem is that it doesnt work. The USA has 14 deaths per 100000 people as the direct result of guns, even us liberal Canadians with a total BS gun control system has about 4 deaths per 100000 people. Take a country like Scotland with total gun control and the death rate by firearms decreases even more. I'am not sure about thier death by golf club numbers but I'am sure that they aren't too high. Dont get me wrong I am not anti-gun, I enjoy shooting guns as much as the next guy but I can't sit here and say with all honesty that gun control doesn't work

 

[XRpredator]

. . . The USA has 14 deaths per 100000 people as the direct result of guns, even us liberal Canadians with a total BS gun control system has about 4 deaths per 100000 people.

That's because you guys spend all your time drinking beer and eating jellies . . .