mkelly04 said:Kind of funny that you expect a purpose built mopar muscle car when the original muscle cars were far from purpose built. :)
Amen to that!!!Okiewan said:Too bad that era was so short!
I am inclined to giving Pontiac the credit for really starting the movement. That GTO was a really good idea. Before that it was just Mustang or Corvette.When I think original muscle, it includes the mopars, yes, but the Impala 409, Pontiac tri-powers, the Ford 289's, 302's, 428/429s, Chevy 283, 396, 409, 427's et all ... there were plenty. And let's be perfectly honest here. The Hemi was an awesome motor, 383, 440 magnums, good stuff. But the overall car quality and design (matter of opinion) was never on par with the stuff from the General and Ford.
Ummmmmm, NO!!!!! The thought of a Charger Daytona without a roof high wing makes my skin crawl.Wanna talk about some Chrysler "Challengers" and "Chargers" back in the 80's? ;)
FruDaddy said:Amen to that!!!
I am inclined to giving Pontiac the credit for really starting the movement. That GTO was a really good idea.
Okiewan said:Like I said, it's a nice fast car (the SRT8 anyway), but, why name it after a muscle car? The Charger is an American icon. That shouldn't be messed with :nod:
stumanarama said:Jamir, if you want to talk about german chassis with american muscle, look up the merkur scorpio and xr4ti from the 80's, my friend has an xr4ti, it is god awful looking but very fast, it has the same 2.3 l turbo from the tbird turbo coupes and i think the svo mustang, it looks like the ford escort and the for mustang(both from the 80's) had sex, and gave birth to a downes syndrome child that spoke german, however on the speed aspect its a total sleeper running 1 atmo of boost and 175 or so hp, it starts walkin on by everyone third or so....... but anyway, that is a sweet looking mustang, imo they should bring back the 396 nova or chevelle SS and make the gold bowtie blue once more
yeah but what about the buick grand national and gnx of the late 80's????mox69 said:Turbochargers + talk of 175HP = Rice rocket wannabe. When you have 8+ cylinders and are pumping 300+ HP then you can talk about your car in this thread :)
Pontiac might have made it prettier but I'm inclined to give the 1962 413 Max Wedge Darts the nod on real performance engines in something more mid-sizeish.FruDaddy said:I am inclined to giving Pontiac the credit for really starting the movement. That GTO was a really good idea.
please, give the credit where its due. 1961 Impala SS 409Patman said:Pontiac might have made it prettier but I'm inclined to give the 1962 413 Max Wedge Darts the nod on real performance engines in something more mid-sizeish.
Impala was a FULL size car with full size weight.XRpredator said:please, give the credit where its due. 1961 Impala SS 409
gwcrim said:And just a little Friday trivia: The '70 Challenger and Barracuda (E bodies) were designed to compete with the Mercury Cougar.
so when do we get the strict definition of "truck" and "pickup"? ;)Patman said:Impala was a FULL size car with full size weight.
From musclecarclub.com:
Strict Definition of a Muscle Car:
A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. Most of these models were based on "regular" production vehicles. These vehicles are generally not considered muscle cars, even when equipped with large V8s. If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on.
Examples: Buick GS, Chevrolete Chevelle SS, Dodge Charger R/T, Ford Torino/Cobra, Plymouth GTX, Plymouth Road Runner, Oldsmobile 442, Pontiac GTO
Fullsize Muscle Car:
The strict definition only includes intermediate size vehicles. In reality, performance oriented intermediate size vehicles didn't appear until 1964. Before then, manufacturers took existing fullsize vehicles and added extra performance to them. Because of this, the early fullsize performance vehicles are generally considered muscle cars.
Examples: Chevrolet Impala (SS only), Ford Galaxie (with 390 + cid engines only), Dodge Coronet (R/Ts only), etc.
Pony Cars and Compact Cars:
In addition to fullsize and intermediate muscle cars, a number of smaller vehicles started appearing on the automotive performance scene. These new "pony cars" and compact cars are generally considered muscle cars only if they have the top of the line performance engines and options.
Examples: Chevrolet Camaro (SS and Z28 models only), Ford Mustang (GTs and Boss only), Plymouth 'Cudas (no Barracudas), AMC Javelin, etc.
Personal Luxury Cars and Luxury Cars:
Although there were several personal luxury vehicles with performance engines and options, their heavy weight and high sticker prices went against the low cost performance definition of muscle cars. Therefore, they are not considered muscle cars.
Examples: Buick Riviera, Chrysler 300 Letter Cars, Pontiac Grand Prix, etc.
Two Seat Sports Cars:
Two seat sports cars such as the Chevrolet Corvette and the Ford Thunderbird are not considered muscle cars due to their high price and specialty nature. The only exception is the AMC AMX as it was relatively cheap, and was based on the AMC Javalin pony car.
Examples: AMC AMX, etc.
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