dirt bike dave
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Roooster said:ITell me again, WHY would I want to deviate from the factory spec oil and use ATF? Why is it better? Please provide reference material that states so. We may be among some oil experts here, I have no idea, but I need more than "trust me".
ellandoh said:i can afford any oil i so choose to use, im just saying if you dont like the info then you dont need to believe it , just as i dont choose to believe you joined this site yesterday, set up your profile with a 95 and today you have an 05 unless you can in your words "Please provide reference material that states so"
lets see a pic
dirt bike dave said:Is 25 ISDE medals good enough of a reference for you?
ellandoh said:then dont use it
you did join yesterday and an hour ago your profile said you had a 95, when i called you on your 5000$ bike you changed your profile. you didnt even read my simple post correctly , i doubt you grasped some of the technical posts on previous pages. like i said earlier...nobody is trying to convince you of anything , use the info you like here and leave whatever you dont at the table
"oil school" LOL
then dont use it
you did join yesterday and an hour ago your profile said you had a 95, when i called you on your 5000$ bike you changed your profile. you didnt even read my simple post correctly , i doubt you grasped some of the technical posts on previous pages. like i said earlier...nobody is trying to convince you of anything , use the info you like here and leave whatever you dont at the table
"oil school" LOL
mtk said:I think you VASTLY overestimate the desire of the rest of us to explain anything to you.
Tell us exactly how you arrived at this statement? Have some testing to point us to?It just doesn't have the lubrication properties as spec oil does.
Again, show us where you got this info. Hyperlinks are fine, feel free to use them.We have just straight cut gears, and for that application regular, spec oil works best.
Well, you have shown your ability to take myth and use it as fact. You mention that the problem with EC oils is accentuated with increased load...perhaps you can show us where you gained this pearl of information?Energy conserving oil isn't optimum either, because it's too slippery and could cause clutch slippage under enough load.
Jaybird said:What gets to be a big deal is your logic and questioning of those who obviously have experience in this area. You obviously do not have any credible experience in this field.
MTK stated his credentials, or did you simply disreguard reading anything prior to when you chimed in?
The man has probably forgotten more about the specifics of engine oils than you will ever know.
Lets weigh this out...a person who has obviously had lots of experience with the additives and component packages of engine lubricants, against a person who is using nothing but his own logic and preconceived notions.
Dewd...try not to make yourself look any more ignorant.
Jaybird said:For anyone to claim that the oil recommended by the mfg is the best fluid that could be used, has simply not investigated the subject past what the manual states.
Exxon/Mobil makes Honda oils in the US.
Do you think for one minute that they are going to provide a licensed private label with a superior product to their own offerings? This is basically the sort of speculation that you are using, so it should be an easy question to answer.
Jaybird said:Honda simply touts their oils for profit. Not because they are the best lubricants to use. And anyone who is in the know, will realize that spending twice the money for an oil is silly, when you can find a much better alternative on the shelf for lots less money.
Jaybird said:As far as TypeF ATF goes...it was desinged for a transmission that is very similar to a dirt bike tranny.
It is a thin bodied fluid (~10wt) that lens itself well to good, crisp shifting, even in cold climates.
It has plenty of barrier additives and components that protect the gears just as well as any fluid.
It fights thermal breakdown, and has lots of anti-corrosive add.
Another plus is that you can use the same fluid in your suspension, and even in a hydralic clutch.
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We have just straight cut gears, and for that application regular, spec oil works best.
Again, show us where you got this info. Hyperlinks are fine, feel free to use them.
Energy conserving oil isn't optimum either, because it's too slippery and could cause clutch slippage under enough load.
Well, you have shown your ability to take myth and use it as fact. You mention that the problem with EC oils is accentuated with increased load...perhaps you can show us where you gained this pearl of information?
Jaybird said:Exxon/Mobil makes Honda oils in the US.
mtk said:You know what, you're right Roooster. You know it all already.
Roooster said:And you know it too. If you had anything as proof, you would've posted it by now.
Good day to you sir. I said, GOOD DAY.
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