2004 CR250R comments

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Can anyone who has ridden the '04 CR250 offer some comments? yet to see one in this area... Thanks
 
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I am also interested in the 2004 CR250 2-stroke. I wanted to know if it is easier to dial in the jetting on the 2004 compaired to the 2003. Members of this forum and local riders are always discussing the jetting problems of the CR.
 
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I've got an 03' and I can't figure out what all the complaints are about the jetting...I run vp c12 mixed with mobile mx2t and leaned it out a bit and it runs really well...I've had guys that I don't know me come up to me at the track after practice and they say "Wow, you're bike sounds strong...Really clean sound". And it does run strong and it barks hard in the midrange and top end.

I think alot of the people complaining about the jetting are those that don't get on the throttle very hard...Nothing wrong with that if you don't have the skill level or desire to ride that hard...

But..These are 2 stroke motocross RACEbikes and they run best when the throttle is wide open and the bike is on the powerband. If you don't like riding like that you'll be better off with a 4 stroke that has the strong low end and runs good at all throttle openings.
 
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Hey guys, if you want an 04' CR250 go ahead and get one...Or get a new 03' if they still have them.....But be prepared...It's fast, just like the 03' but it a midrange and top end bike and it suits someone that rides wide open....It's very light and handles better than anything I've ever ridden...I've ridden lots of bikes and it's amazing just how good the stock suspension is...The 04' is a little better in the suspension but the way the handle is almost identical. It's so light that it feels like a 125....It doesn't do anything weird off of jumps and it's easy to be confident on it really quick because it handles so well.

Unless you're a fast rider, you won't like the stock motor on a tight track because it doesn't have a lot of bottom end....What it does have is huge midrange and top end....It pulls hard. The Honda has a case reed motor and case reed motors don't produce alot of bottom end...They produce big mid and top end so there's a trade off...

There are things that sway me to the Honda other than performance...It's got a superior design...Everything fits perfecty...It's easy to work on..It's a high quality, reliable bike.


I rode an 04' KX250 and I absolutely love it...The motor is so easy to ride it's rediculous..The Honda has more power and is faster, but you don't have to be as agressive on the KX...It's so fun to ride because it barks right when you twist the throttle..It's really stable too. I'm kinda short and the KX is on the small side so it fit me perfectly...But there are things about the Kawasaki that keep me from purchasing it.
 
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"But there are things about the Kawasaki that keep me from purchasing it."

well tell us , what is it ???
 
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Thanks for the information WHITESANDS26. I am getting back into MX and your description of the CR250 was exactly what I wanted to hear and sounds like the bike for me.
 
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Originally posted by thirtyfour
"But there are things about the Kawasaki that keep me from purchasing it."

well tell us , what is it ???
Well, First let me say that I really do like all motorcycles in general and I always want to get the best bike that meets what is important to me and I'll gladly get another brand if they step up to the plate (I've owned many other brands of bikes in the past and wouldn't hesitate to get a different one)....All of the 2004 jap motocross bikes are great performers right off the showroom floor....Each bike has it's strong points where it may outperform another in a particular area...However, there are other things to consider that just performance alone.

This might anger a few individuals but I find the Kawasaki to be of lower quality than the Honda....The KX runs great and handles great but when I look at the bike with a detailed eye the Honda just appears to have a cleaner design...I've had Kawasaki's in the past and I've had trouble with the alignment of parts...You take different parts apart and when you go to put it back together you find that it doesn't easily align...Tolerances seem to be a little off...The welds on the frame are sloppy...The exhaust hangers look cheap....Everyone that I know (myself included) that performs regular maintenance on the KX's they've had left the bike looking "worked on". Nut's and bolts having a softer compound than some of their competitors become rounded very easily...My buddy that does MX bike maintenance only really dislikes it when he has to work on a KX because in his own words "you're working on it and some small part breaks, then you've gotta order it and wait for the part to finish the job". The transmission oil plug is made out of a very soft rubber...Change the oil enough and it will eventually twist off when you're trying to remove it..No big deal really, but if you're about to go riding and that happens and now you've gotta go all the way to the shop, get the part, take rest of the plug out if you can...Oh wait.....The track is now closed...That's o.k.....You can wait a another week to ride...lol..I've heard several different people complain about the soft rubber transmission oil plug. I really don't like plastic ignition covers either.
If you do regular maintenance you need to go ahead and buy a complete set of some sort of high quality nut and bolts...After a few times tightening the bolts lose their integrity and easily work their way lose..Torque the nuts down to the exact torque and the bolt snaps...Now you've gotta get the old bolt out of the hole...Do this at the track a few times and it gets old.

Anything can go wrong with any bike...But there seems to me more difficulty's associated with some of the other brands...It's like, you've got a failed part, wouldn't you rather have the failed part that's made of gold ? In my opinion you are getting much more for your money when you buy a honda...If I'm going to spend 5 grand I'd rather it go to something that's higher quality and is a little more trouble free.
I don't reccomend the KX (or RM) unless you can get a really good deal.
 
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So if all the fasteners are replaced with quality grade 8.8 hardware, does that problem go away? Or are there other issues? Did'nt the magazines say the KX (and RM) make large improvements in quality with the 2004 models?
 

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I feel the older KXs had quality issues the new ones i dont fel have, apart from the oil filler cap.
 

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I've always thought the plastic filler caps were less likely to seize (and therefore break) than alloy-alloy. Furthermore, when you twist a 'resistant' one, they strip instead of break. Also, wouldn't you expect them to be less likely to vibrate out in the setting of 'human error'?

ie, I'm sure there are plenty of very smart engineers at all these factories that have their own opinions on what's best...more like philosophies. So I don't view the different plugs as cheaper than another, as I doubt it costs more to cast an alloy plug than a plastic one.

The Zook/Kawi vs. Yamaha/Honda thing is just a tired, worn-out, overdone misconceived 'sweeping thought' that I find sort of ignorant.

But hey, I'm blind to those bad welds and unnecessarily 'messy' designs.
 

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Well, it seems that the KX's plugs are either a soft rubber or VERY soft plastic (they are pliable/flexible when bent with your fingers). My CRF's plugs are pretty hard plastic. My '01 KX250 had the oil filler plug break off. I went to loosen it one day and the top just "twisted" off in my hand.

I did see a KXF in the local shop a couple weeks back and it had the "alloy" plug (goes to show they are noticing these things and seeking to improve upon them). But, what was really interesting was that it appeared you needed an allen wrench to remove it!
 
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Originally posted by jboomer


I did see a KXF in the local shop a couple weeks back and it had the "alloy" plug (goes to show they are noticing these things and seeking to improve upon them). But, what was really interesting was that it appeared you needed an allen wrench to remove it!

Yes...The engine was designed by Suzuki...I went and looked at it for the first time at the shop the other day and I noticed that the filler cap was alloy and I was very impressed with the design. Very clean.
 
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Originally posted by nephron



The Zook/Kawi vs. Yamaha/Honda thing is just a tired, worn-out, overdone misconceived 'sweeping thought' that I find sort of ignorant.

But hey, I'm blind to those bad welds and unnecessarily 'messy' designs.
Don't you just love vague statements that offer no facts? Please, we could do a poll on which exhaust mount is a cleaner design and I guarantee you most would say Honda....Cylinder head stays..It doesn't matter I can go on and on..



What's ignorant IMHO is if a person that spends enough time looking at the details and can't notice the difference...There IS a difference.

I pointed out clear details, not a vague "sweeping thought"...The funny thing is that the people that claim there is "no difference" never seem to be able to come up with anything backing up that claim.
 
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Originally posted by G92Joe
So if all the fasteners are replaced with quality grade 8.8 hardware, does that problem go away? Or are there other issues? Did'nt the magazines say the KX (and RM) make large improvements in quality with the 2004 models?
I would agree that the KX is of better quality than it used to be...But so are the other brand offerings and they are still a step above the kx.

Still though..What really bothers me is that the soft rubber transmission cap is the same design as what came on the bike in the 1980's.
 

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take a Cr125 engine to bits and it isnt that good quality, the 02 has a reed spacer that requires about 4 gaskets, the head gasket is from the 1980s and isnt a patch on the modern o ring design.The head dowels are a joke.They detonate and blow up on pump fuel-i could go on but you would think im anti honda, this is wrong-ive had more crs than the other bikes ive owned,just trying to show they all have the problems.Look under the bump rubber of any year old cr shock-you will find pitting(all kybs do this to be fair) but the cr isnt imune because its a honda.Honda make a clean nice bike but i dont feel it has anything superiour than the others(apart from YZs that i think are cheezy LOL)