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fatherandson said:I likes the Matthew assigned rows. Classes I, J, K, and L in the first 20 rows. Classes D, E, F, G and H in the next 20 rows and A, B and C in the final 20 rows. I understand there was a minor misunderstanding (a K rider wanted to ride with his son in the F class) for those that signed up on Friday night or early Saturday, but it got resolved.
I agree. See link below for the most current event / class stats (with an average of 27 riders, the L class is still huge!).fatherandson said:... The only official class change that I foresee is combining the 20-29 and 30-39 to a 20-39 class due to low attendance.
I wonder how many actual riders we'd get for these classes. Are you thinking separate Vintage and Pit Bike classes? We're merging the J class right now because it only averages 7 riders per event. :think:... There have been a couple of suggestions for "exhibition only" classes - Vintage and adults on mini bikes (<120cc). Exhibition only means that you are competing for bragging rights only - no trophies.
Strongly agree... Minimum 10-11am key time. Distance is also a factor.... the Mini Moose does it right with a 1pm key time. Scoring / results can be processed faster these days, but I also need time to unload, haul, setup (and sometimes troubleshoot) equipment, find and train volunteers, etc. AND get signed-up. I think the clubs would also have a slightly better turnout with a later keytime.... I think with our scoring improvements that later key times are a must...at least 10:00, but I would prefer 11:00.
I agree that A/B/C (and possibly even D) get assigned in the last 1/3 rows. This should be a guideline, not a rule. I'll also include more specifics in the FES sign-up info sheet about clarifying that a K (or whatever adult/parent) rider can ride with their A/B/C kid on the same row....I likes the Matthew assigned rows. Classes I, J, K, and L in the first 20 rows. Classes D, E, F, G and H in the next 20 rows and A, B and C in the final 20 rows. I understand there was a minor misunderstanding (a K rider wanted to ride with his son in the F class) for those that signed up on Friday night or early Saturday, but it got resolved.
I have some ideas on ways that sponsors can benefit from promotions within the FES events. Ties in with MotoTally results / web site and the Marketing / Sponsorship role posted last week.... We have established a "board of directors" that includes corporate sponsors, clubs and participants. Ideas will be discussed at our annual meeting.
Passing and trail traffic are a component of all enduros, and FES is no exception. I think the series has put some things in place to help prevent traffic from A/B/C riders. Same thing with class competitors in nearby rows... it's all part of the enduro experience. If you're having trouble with support riders purposely blocking trail, sign-up for DW's AFM class. ;)WomanRider said:... This put several competers in the same class right next to each other. Which caused problems out on the trail, when their support riders were in the way of the faster competetition. There have been several times for me when "p" riders have been a problem. A faster rider then has to pass 2 or 3 (why a rider would have 2 support riders not understandable) riders instead of one. The support rider does not get out of the way.
A rider 16+ could very well be a new rider, and need a support rider. Also, as BBarel stated, multiple generations like to ride together, so this should not be discouraged or disallowed.... I also feel anyone over 16 or 18 should not be allowed to have a support rider.
Smit-Dog said:A rider 16+ could very well be a new rider, and need a support rider. Also, as BBarel stated, multiple generations like to ride together, so this should not be discouraged or disallowed.
fatherandson said:MAYBE all of the adult, male classes should be EXHIBITION ONLY????
Those who have proved themselves as good riders should not.Smit-Dog said:Just so I fully understand this, you don't want anyone in the Women's 16+ to be able to have a support rider, correct?
If so, why?
Hard to make a rule based on criteria that is somewhat vague and subjective. Also, when proposing a rule that is specific to a particular class, you'd have to justify what is unique about that class to necessitate the rule. It is a women's class, and is 16+, but I don't think that alone is a basis for disallowing support riders just within that class.WomanRider said:Those who have proved themselves as good riders should not.
YAMAHUNT said:I have no problem with support riders, but we do try and keep 1 per rider entered.
Is that to prevent biting and hair-pulling? :laugh:WomanRider said:My daughter and I ride a very competitive class, Womens 16+. We are so competitive with each other we will not ride the same minute anymore.
FlyinRyan said:I agree with BBarel, this is the Family Enduro Series. I know some riders will always take it to serious but if you start limiting who can ride with who and how many people can start to ride as support riders it will wreck the series. I love the events as it gives me a chance to ride with my son and my father. There's nothing cooling then having three generations riding together and then bench racing all night about the event. I know that if the three of us couldn't ride together then I would have to rethink attending the events.
bbarel said:I disagree with WomanRider about disallowing 16-18 riders to ride with parents. This is the FAMILY enduro series and fathers and sons want to ride together. If some P or X riders are being a problem, then they should dealt with, but it is not right to punish everyone for a few bad apples.
Smit-Dog said:Passing and trail traffic are a component of all enduros, and FES is no exception. I think the series has put some things in place to help prevent traffic from A/B/C riders. Same thing with class competitors in nearby rows... it's all part of the enduro experience. If you're having trouble with support riders purposely blocking trail, sign-up for DW's AFM class. ;)
bbarel said:Is that to prevent biting and hair-pulling? :laugh:
LMAWTFO! I just gave "Steel Man" Ted his first AFM lesson at the Tree Toppers enduro. He needed a tune up after a few riders played him at Wolverine!WomanRider said:Where do we sign up? I know of several who would like the training.
Suggestions for passing at FES events:bterp67 said:So what is the "Gentleman's rule" or proper FES etiquitte for letting a slower rider know you want to pass?
I do agree some riders will not move over, and if this is a big problem, maybe this should be addressed at the riders meeting.
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