I hate four strokes now . . .

kmccune · Mar 8, 2007

2strks4evr said:
this is the begining of the end.due to the price and constant maintenance ,(which also costs alot),i beleive there will be lots of people that will stop riding because they dont have the funds.and the ama.why should i pay 60 or 70 a year to an organization that ultimatly tells you what and where to ride.me and my wife ride and race (mx).we rarely miss a weekend lots of our freinds dont make it because their bike is messed up.four stroke suck!

DITTO!

Okiewan · Mar 8, 2007

You are wrong, here is a LINK to the article.

Okay, what's the cool spelling of OWNED these days? :laugh:

GETMETOCA · Mar 8, 2007

Rooster said:
Two stroke, four stroke, what's the deal?
I can ride either on just one wheel!
They make me happy, they make me smile,
I haven't ridden either in quite a while.

Winter has been long, winter has been cold,
Not ridding either bike is getting rather old.
And with that little bit, the Rooster quoth:
"I just can't wait to go out and ride them both!"

Not only can you cook, you're a poet. Squeaks is one lucky woman! :cool:

Patman · Mar 8, 2007

Spanktastic Chili!

gwcrim · Mar 8, 2007

Okiewan said:
Okay, what's the cool spelling of OWNED these days? :laugh:

Yeah, really. Don't screw up a good story with something as silly as FACTS!

kawicam250 · Mar 8, 2007

Chili said:
You are wrong, here is a LINK to the article.

I'll cut and paste a few of the important parts for you.

All three riders were faster on the 500AF :cool:

well, even TWMX can cook up a storm :whoa: . good job, Chili, thats what we all wanted to see :nod: .

AJ Waggoner · Mar 8, 2007

could not find the article online but I red it, anyway they took a crf 450 put a big bore kit to put the crf at 500cc and put it up against the cr 500af. The crf made 2 less hp but made it for a longer rpm range. They had 2 pro's ride them both , switch and ride them both again. Both pro's were faster on the crf, I think it was because the crf was superrior, but I could be wrong.

ehh,, thats not exactly how things were written in thw article,

,nor how they went down in things not written in the artlcle

i was there afterall ;)

not to fan Preds flame threads any LOL

but somewhat ironically the CRF blew up roughly half way thru the first day of testing.
the bored out CRF450 grenaded.

i feel like Jack Nicholsen in "A Few Good Men"

the truth? you folks cant handle the truth!

truth: as tested , it cost basically the same,
was a lot heavier bike, made a bit less hp, and dint live for a full day.

as far as having a torque and broader smoother powerband advantage..

i can detune a CR500 a bit, it will have more torque and be smoother..
make thge same hp as a 450 and weigh less.

if you think the OEMs and thier huge R&D budgets,
couldnt do far more than i can,,
with high tech materials like they use in the 4 stroke R&D,,
digital CDI mapping , playing with crank inertial and other variables
then you need to really think about it.

it isnt hard to detune ,or rearrange ignition timing ,crankweights, etc on a 2 stroke to perform extreemly similar to a *tractable* 4 stroke.
(guys forget the torque monster 2 stroke trials bikes?)

and the 2 stroke bike would ALWAYS be lighter,, if given the same R$D and space age materials. basic physics at play (often called "truth")

care to give the two strokes a double displacement advantage and see where this leads?
much less give the simply *equal* footing?

I love both, its all fun,,

but lets not bury our heads in the sand at what is a marketung move by the OEMs, and an understanable one..
it may have a lot of spins ,, and some of them have a ring of being
fdor enviromental reasons etc..
every good lie has some truth in it. ;)
there can be many reasons,, and valid ones..
but the underlying main reason to market 4 strokes and R&D that direction,
it makes the OEM's more money..as all the 4 stroke R&D often crosses over to other things they make..(2 stroke R&D does not often)
its many other benifits to them are the ones most important to any business, thier ultimate bottom line.understandable.

nothing more, nothing less

carry on. LOL!

XRpredator · Mar 8, 2007

I love you all, even if you are whiny girly-men. :)

BadgerMan · Mar 8, 2007

AJ Waggoner said:
it makes the OEM's more money..as all the 4 stroke R&D often crosses over to other things they make..(2 stroke R&D does not often)
its many other benifits to them are the ones most important to any business, thier ultimate bottom line.understandable.

nothing more, nothing less

carry on. LOL!

:nod:

There ya have it.........the bottom line is "the bottom line".

cnielse5 · Mar 8, 2007

Well put AJ.

john stu · Mar 8, 2007

:yeehaw:

the crf blew up !!!!!!!! :rotfl:

XRpredator · Mar 8, 2007

I guess that's why the AMA didn't allow the CRF150R in the mini class against the 85cc machines . . .

They got tired of all the whining too.

gwcrim · Mar 8, 2007

No, the CRF couldn't have blown up. It just needed it's valves adjusted. Didn't cost more than $150 to fix it either. Yeah, that's the ticket..... the valves needed adjusted.

cnielse5 · Mar 8, 2007

XRpredator said:
I guess that's why the AMA didn't allow the CRF150R in the mini class against the 85cc machines . . .

They got tired of all the whining too.

LOL. Just when the water start to clear a little....pred throws a little more chum in! What great entertainment.

knowiam · Mar 8, 2007

This topic has caused near as much "buzz" as the KTM or Boob Job Poll! Impressive number of views and replies in just two short days of thread life.

Well Done :rotfl: :worship:

Ken

kmccune · Mar 8, 2007

XRpredator said:
I love you all, even if you are whiny girly-men. :)

Aw... don't try to make up now...its too late :laugh:

PS 4 stroke turd :nener:

"REV" · Mar 8, 2007

Some people are so HUGE they need a big bore 4 stroke to pull them around!

I'm referring to pred, and I'm also joking.

Wolf · Mar 8, 2007

And I thought fishing with dynamite was illegal in Idaho....

XRpredator · Mar 8, 2007

Wolf said:
And I thought fishing with dynamite was illegal in Idaho....

just waitin' fer da boom!

Mx523 · Mar 8, 2007

All talk, why not have a site ride and have the two strokes vs four strokes. We'll see who wins. Their have braging rights. Of course two strokes would win though and it wouldn't cost them 5grand to win either. :ride: :nener:

2-Strokes 4-ever · Mar 8, 2007

knowiam said:
This topic has caused near as much "buzz" as the KTM or Boob Job Poll!

Four Strokes...........Boob Jobs
Too high maintainance for me.

kmccune · Mar 8, 2007

2-Strokes 4-ever said:
Four Strokes...........Boob Jobs
Too high maintainance for me.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

katoom 300 rider · Mar 8, 2007

I own both, a 2000 Yamaha WR400, and a 2006 KTM 300 XCW. I rode the WR since new and I was happy with it riding open trails, but I think it made me a lazy rider.
About a year and a half ago I was introduced to single track, at that point I realized it was much to heavy for that type of riding, all that weight going one direction and your trying to turn in the other direction, just wore me out.
I bought the KTM took a while to get used to no engine braking, and I hadn't rode a 2 stroke for 6 years, but the weight difference and ability to change direction was felt immediately. I am a much faster rider now, and my endurance has really improved.
I did keep the WR, I put heated grips on it, and made it my winter bike, I'll admit it tractors through the deep snow much better than the KTM.

CRASH39 · Mar 8, 2007

Id say there, how about a 2 stroke VS 4 stroke race to resolve what is better in their class 125 vs 125f / 250 VS 250f and so on...win or loose I still say the 4 stroke engine belongs in a car/ truck / mower..not a dirt bike..

HajiWasAPunk · Mar 8, 2007

CRASH39 said:
win or loose I still say the 4 stroke engine belongs in a car/ truck / mower..not a dirt bike..

[Rich]If win or lose you feel the same way, then it's stupid to suggest they race to settle it?

4-strokes deliver the power more easily but they need more cc's to equal it, what's so #*@! hard about this?

[/rich] :)

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