This Really Frikken Ticks Me Off

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ok

[BAD LINK] sorry long url and i dont know how to shorten it.

this isnt the best story of it but from what i got from reading it in the paper this kid was riding his bike where he wasnt supposed to (i think im really not sure but that was the feeling i got from it) he riding home when he hit this cable that someone put up. WTF WHY DO YOU DO THAT!!! TALK TO THE PERSON dont try to frikken kill them. he put streamers on it to make it visible. oh yea real useful. put something visible like a sign.

the article i read also mentioned him comming home because of his moms birthday. i dont know if it was her birthday or if they were just celebrating it then but the freak who put it up sure gave her a good presant dont ya think!?!


what is even worse is that the guy who set up the cable isnt going to jail or anything. they said that the kid knew it was there BS most kids i know do go hey look a cable lets see how fast we can hit it.

ok my rant is over this just makes me sick who was more irresposible the 15 again 15 one year older then me 15 who was killed. or the person who put up this cable.

ok now my rant is FINALLY over sorry had to get that out
 
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I hate that the kid died, but there is no way that I have enough information to pass judgement here. Don't look at this as an opportunity to get angry.
 
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It's always a bugger when someone gets hurt (or killed) riding... even worse when it's through someone else's stupidity.

Painful reminder that you ALWAYS have to take a trail slowly if you haven't been down it that day. Might be something there by accident or on purpose.

Take care all of you!

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FruDaddy said:
I hate that the kid died, but there is no way that I have enough information to pass judgement here. Don't look at this as an opportunity to get angry.

i know

what really gets me though is how stupid people are though.
 

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FruDaddy said:
Do you really want to get into this debate in this thread?
Well, this is the flame board :ohmy:

Like you stated earlier, there is not enough information in the article to make an argument for either side.
 
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im not saying your wrong i mean that people are stupid.

there shouldnt be a cable across a trail.

but the kid should not have been riding where he wasnt allowed to (if that is the case)

im not trying to start an argument.
 
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True, but in light of the death, I didn't really want to say that everything in the link points to the fact that the kid would still be alive were he not riding on somebody else's land without permission. Trespassing is trespassing with or without posted signs. The landowner has every right to put up barricades (cable) to keep trespassers out. If the cable were there to do harm, I don't think that there would have been red streamers attached to it. Also, it appears from the provided link, that the land may have been used by a construction company (read something about the road being used by the owners business trucks).
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The person who put the cable up owns a company and that trail is used for big trucks that go through.
Well, it would not be unheard of for a business to close off the entrance after working hours. I still leave the possibility open that the cable was put in place to keep the dirtbikes out, but there is nothing mentioned that indicates to me that the land owner knew that there were kids on the property at the time that the cable was placed across the road. It also seems to me that the existence of the cable was known to the boy:
Becky Pratt said:
When Michael went through it was down and on his way back he didn’t realize it was back up.
I cannot omit the fact that most of the information provided has been given by other kids claiming to be close to the deceased, and therefore are clearly biased. Oh, and he was on his way home at 8:40PM to be with his mother on her birthday :whoa:

There aren't enough facts in the article, but there is quite a bit of information given by people claiming to be this kids friends, if their information is accurate, than this kid is responsible for his own death and the property owner has done nothing wrong. Of course, I cannot verify the accuracy of the information, or the identity of it's providers, so the only reliable facts that I am aware of are that a kid rode a motorcycle into a steel cable with red streamers (which would only be there to make the cable easier to see) and has died. And that, in itself, is tragic, no matter what the cause.
 
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yea i kno most of the info is biased but if i recall one article (that i read in the newspaper) said that he rode on a abandoned trailerpark. even if he was trespassing you get fined or (maybe not sure if you can but) go to jail for a short period. maybe do community service. you dont die.

but it sucks anyway you look at it
 
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There is nothing in your source that indicates that the presence of the cable has anything to do with the dirtbikes. According to the "girlfriend" the cable was there all along; it was down when the kid went in, but at 8:40PM (pretty close to sunset) it was back up. Now if it were "back up", then it must have been up in the past. Also there were red streamers on the cable, the only reasonable explanation for the streamers is visibility. Now, if I were a business owner with heavy equipment, I would secure that equipment overnight, which means that I would block the exit from the parking area. Now, a simple cable wouldn't keep people from going in on foot, but it might keep the equipment in. I'm just guessing here, but I think that this is the purpose of the cable, and it was not put there because of the dirt bikes. Personally, I would have chosen a heavy iron gate.

Having said that, were he not trespassing, then he would probably still be alive, but his death was not punishment for trespassing, it was only a side effect that could have been avoided were he paying more attention. Of course, it was getting dark, and the cable would have been difficult to see from a distance, but since it was getting dark and visiblity was low, the boy should have been riding at a slower pace. I would also think that the landowner probably feels pretty crappy about it, and we haven't heard his side of the story yet.
 
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True, but in light of the death, I didn't really want to say that everything in the link points to the fact that the kid would still be alive were he not riding on somebody else's land without permission. Trespassing is trespassing with or without posted signs. The landowner has every right to put up barricades (cable) to keep trespassers out. If the cable were there to do harm, I don't think that there would have been red streamers attached to it.
True, but the landowner still has plausible liability because the kid died on his land - and from an obstacle that he placed there. If there's was no clearly visible sign warning of the cable and it can be shown the cable was hard to see, the landowner is in deep doo-doo. Better check the insurance limits.
 

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From an article printed last week

click here


“We review motor vehicle accidents to see whether there has been criminal negligence on the part of any person. Sometimes we find that an accident is simply an accident,” Miller said. “In this case, there was no evidence to suggest it was negligent to put the cable across the lane where it was, at least not negligent in any criminal sense of the word.”

Police also found evidence that the victim “knew the cable was up, from what other people had told us,” the chief said.

On the night Lentz died, he had been riding by himself and reportedly had been rushing home to celebrate his mother’s birthday.