I tried installing my turbine core II SA and discovered that althought the holes line up well they are designed to have some rubber grommets inside them, but alas none in the bag with the silencer. (I would have gladly traded them a few stickers back for hardware.) I called FMF and they verified that there is supposed to be some mounting hardware included in the bag so they will be shipping some off to me today. Just want all to know as a "heads up" if you get a silencer and have a hard time figuring out how to mount it.
FMF Turbine Core II info:
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Do a search...
on fmf on this site. You'll see plenty of gripes about fit and finish.
Some guys end up with a considerable headache getting their fmf stuff to fit. The missing grommet issue is something fmf has been doing for about ever.
I don't know what their problem is. Personally, I've asked their tech support if they peruse this forum for input on their 'stuff'. I was told they did.
From rusted pipes new out of the box to things that don't fit for diddle...it seems 'fmf does it all!!' (and that's not a good thing :( )
Oh..expect the joint at the pipe stinger and S/A to leak. That's another thing TC S/As do 'well'. If you're jetted correctly, it's not a problem. But most bikes are not jetted correctly..and you'll have spooge ooze blowing all over your shock/spring/carb.
on fmf on this site. You'll see plenty of gripes about fit and finish.
Some guys end up with a considerable headache getting their fmf stuff to fit. The missing grommet issue is something fmf has been doing for about ever.
I don't know what their problem is. Personally, I've asked their tech support if they peruse this forum for input on their 'stuff'. I was told they did.
From rusted pipes new out of the box to things that don't fit for diddle...it seems 'fmf does it all!!' (and that's not a good thing :( )
Oh..expect the joint at the pipe stinger and S/A to leak. That's another thing TC S/As do 'well'. If you're jetted correctly, it's not a problem. But most bikes are not jetted correctly..and you'll have spooge ooze blowing all over your shock/spring/carb.
the fit is horrible. Mine was missing the parts too. I went to the hardware store and got some stuff to mount it with. On a later trip to the dealer I noticed the one on their rack had the mounting hardware so I made them give it to me. I never tried using it though and from the fit of the silencer I don't think any amount of harware would actually make it fit right.
I say boycott fmf. And I don't mean just gripe on the internet about shoddy fit and missing parts. I mean don't buy anything from them.
Their service to their customers is not near what it should be...OK maybe they will try to remedy the problem after you realize something is wrong and call them on it...but initially, the products they supply are poorly constructed (they generally don't fit right) and the products often are missing important components.
Taking into account the shoddy construction, the prices charged by most distributers for fmf products are still as much as or higher than the prices for comparable products from, say, Pro Circuit. But at those prices, Pro Circuit and other companies provide products that fit well, and include the necessary components. And even after you buy something from fmf, you still might have to spend more money to get all the components necessary to use it.
One thing fmf does have going for them is that their products work well, after the struggle of getting them on. In my opinion, however, it is not worth the money and effort that is required to have fmf products. I'll continue to buy my performance products from other companies, and I think it is in everyone's best interest if everyone else does too; that is until fmf fixes their problems and gives their customers what they pay for.
Remember, as long as people keep buying an inferior product, companies will have no interest in making the product better. Improvements=higher cost to the company=lower profits to the company=something a company won't do unless they are forced.
I don't really intend this response to be offensive to anyone, but I would like to see fmf give its customers the service that they deserve. It is obvious as one reads through the threads in this forum that fmf gets the lion's share of support from the people here, and I suspect many other KDX riders, as well as people riding other types of bikes. FMF IS ABUSING ITS CUSTOMERS by not providing the highest quality product, when the highest quality is expected and payed for. We need to send fmf the message that they need to step up to the plate, and fix the problems that they pass on to their customers; or else they won't have any more customers.
Sincerely, Lutz
Their service to their customers is not near what it should be...OK maybe they will try to remedy the problem after you realize something is wrong and call them on it...but initially, the products they supply are poorly constructed (they generally don't fit right) and the products often are missing important components.
Taking into account the shoddy construction, the prices charged by most distributers for fmf products are still as much as or higher than the prices for comparable products from, say, Pro Circuit. But at those prices, Pro Circuit and other companies provide products that fit well, and include the necessary components. And even after you buy something from fmf, you still might have to spend more money to get all the components necessary to use it.
One thing fmf does have going for them is that their products work well, after the struggle of getting them on. In my opinion, however, it is not worth the money and effort that is required to have fmf products. I'll continue to buy my performance products from other companies, and I think it is in everyone's best interest if everyone else does too; that is until fmf fixes their problems and gives their customers what they pay for.
Remember, as long as people keep buying an inferior product, companies will have no interest in making the product better. Improvements=higher cost to the company=lower profits to the company=something a company won't do unless they are forced.
I don't really intend this response to be offensive to anyone, but I would like to see fmf give its customers the service that they deserve. It is obvious as one reads through the threads in this forum that fmf gets the lion's share of support from the people here, and I suspect many other KDX riders, as well as people riding other types of bikes. FMF IS ABUSING ITS CUSTOMERS by not providing the highest quality product, when the highest quality is expected and payed for. We need to send fmf the message that they need to step up to the plate, and fix the problems that they pass on to their customers; or else they won't have any more customers.
Sincerely, Lutz
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Stock 200/220 doesn't have any!
The Stock Silencer has 2- 8 MM (I think) bolts through them. The holes in the FMF silencer are designed for grommets and unless they give them to you you don't have any! Alsos the grommets need to handle the larger 8 MM bolts and not the smaller 6 mm bolts like the grommets on your headlight assy. (I tried those!)
The Stock Silencer has 2- 8 MM (I think) bolts through them. The holes in the FMF silencer are designed for grommets and unless they give them to you you don't have any! Alsos the grommets need to handle the larger 8 MM bolts and not the smaller 6 mm bolts like the grommets on your headlight assy. (I tried those!)
I guess I just never paid very close attention to a 200/220 silencer. My 250 had rubber grommets, and the grommets and bolts worked fine for the FMF silencer. Heck, I didn't even know the FMF was supposed to come with anything, I just thought you were supposed to use the stock ones...:confused:
FMF played similar BS on the 99 RM125 silencer I bought a couple of years ago. The stock RM silencer has one mounting point, but the FMF has two. The instructions said to re-use the stock hardware, but did not include the second rubber mount. I called FMF, and their response was "Uhhhh,,,,, I guess you have to go to the dealer and buy another one." Nice, huh?
On the bright side, for the 01 RM125, there was a second rubber bumper included. They are learning! :D
On the bright side, for the 01 RM125, there was a second rubber bumper included. They are learning! :D
decision
Well i am glad that this came up. I have been dealling with the FMF misfit on my 200. I am thinking that I may go with ProCircuit. I know that they are not as popular of a choice, but can anyone here advise on these pipes? Which one is like the FMF Rev? thanks!
Well i am glad that this came up. I have been dealling with the FMF misfit on my 200. I am thinking that I may go with ProCircuit. I know that they are not as popular of a choice, but can anyone here advise on these pipes? Which one is like the FMF Rev? thanks!
Pro Circuit only makes one pipe, and it is similar to the fmf rev. The pipe is available in "works" and "platinum" finish. The works is bare metal, the platinum has a shiny coating.
I have the Pro Circuit works pipe on my bike, with a Pro Circuit factory sound silencer. I LOVE this pipe and silencer combo. Both the pipe and silencer fit like OEM. It gave the bike way more power, especially in the mid and top end. I noticed a loss of torque on the bottom end at first, but I added a "torque ring" and this gave me a bunch more torque (still not as much as stock though, but you won't get that from the fmf rev either), and didn't seem to hurt power anywhere; it just smoothed out power delivery a bit.
With the torque ring installed, the powerband the Pro Circuit pipe gave my 200 is absolutely beautiful. I can lug the motor like crazy in the slick stuff or slow going, and when I open it up, it absolutely screams.
The only direct comparison I've heard between the fmf rev and Pro Circuit I think came from Sage. He said that the Pro Circuit makes more total power than the fmf rev, but the Pro Circuit's power is more biased toward the midrange and top, whereas the fmf rev has a broader powerband with more over rev. From that comparison, I would recomend the Pro Circuit pipe in any case. It will give you more power, you just have to shift a little more often.
I have the Pro Circuit works pipe on my bike, with a Pro Circuit factory sound silencer. I LOVE this pipe and silencer combo. Both the pipe and silencer fit like OEM. It gave the bike way more power, especially in the mid and top end. I noticed a loss of torque on the bottom end at first, but I added a "torque ring" and this gave me a bunch more torque (still not as much as stock though, but you won't get that from the fmf rev either), and didn't seem to hurt power anywhere; it just smoothed out power delivery a bit.
With the torque ring installed, the powerband the Pro Circuit pipe gave my 200 is absolutely beautiful. I can lug the motor like crazy in the slick stuff or slow going, and when I open it up, it absolutely screams.
The only direct comparison I've heard between the fmf rev and Pro Circuit I think came from Sage. He said that the Pro Circuit makes more total power than the fmf rev, but the Pro Circuit's power is more biased toward the midrange and top, whereas the fmf rev has a broader powerband with more over rev. From that comparison, I would recomend the Pro Circuit pipe in any case. It will give you more power, you just have to shift a little more often.
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fmf turbocore II s/a
:think I have recently installed the FMF turbocoreII s/a on my 2001 200. fortunately I did receive all of the installation hardware. Unfortunately it fit like poo-poo.
:think I have recently installed the FMF turbocoreII s/a on my 2001 200. fortunately I did receive all of the installation hardware. Unfortunately it fit like poo-poo.
both fmf pipes for my 220 and my sons 200 fit great, the tc2's needed some tinkering to get just right, but not enough to make me gripe. It is ironic though that one silencer came with no gromets or washers, and the other had enough to install 6 or 8 silencers. That worked out since I had bought 2.. Also the package without washers must of had 10 fmf stickers, and the one with the washers had 2 stickers. It could boil down to a monday or a friday packaging thing...:confused:
Lew
Lew
All the aftermarket silencers I have purchased: FMF, Pro Circuit, and Bills did not come w/the grommets that need to be installed for proper mounting. You can re-use the ones off your stock silencer if they are not too old and have gotten hard & brittle. The best thing to do is purchase some new ones at the time you purchase your new silencer. That way you don't have to go through the hassle of re-assembling them when you decide to go back. Actually that was very cool of them to ship them out if they do as they say. Honestly, I have seen better craftmanship & quality from different mfg's, but also have resorted to using FMF myself. At the track I can recall one FMF silencer coming off a Suzuki due to a clean break (both sides) in the spot where the grommet goes. Another time at the track another FMF silencer came off a Kawasaki because the rider didn't install the grommet and it vibrated loose (Rider's fault). Glad FMF did you right by sending out the grommets to you. ps I have a FMF Turbine Core II for sale grommet's NOT included. :p
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Forward to FMF
I forwarded this information and thread to FMF, but never heard back from them so I assume they could care less. Good to know that the Pro Circuit S/A fits better and is less money to boot!
Have not gotten the parts back yet but I also contacted Rocky Mountain and they said they would make sure I get what I need to mount it.
Rocky Mounain has always treated me nice with great follow up. If this thing won't fit I'll exchange it for a PC.
I forwarded this information and thread to FMF, but never heard back from them so I assume they could care less. Good to know that the Pro Circuit S/A fits better and is less money to boot!
Have not gotten the parts back yet but I also contacted Rocky Mountain and they said they would make sure I get what I need to mount it.
Rocky Mounain has always treated me nice with great follow up. If this thing won't fit I'll exchange it for a PC.
Just installed my kg30 pipe today and it fit like a glove, also the directions states that you must use existing hardware for the mounting. mybe you just have to use what was on the bike, did not install the silencer,so i may be wrong on the hardware stuff for that part. later c10
something new, something blue.
'99 220. fmf granly rev. tc2 silencer. everything fits jes' dandy!
but Ol' Gouge spends a certain amount of obligatory time on his starboard side, which requires frequent pipe repairs. getting time to spruce up Ol' Gouge & give him a shiny new pipe.
and i like to experiment.
i'd like to keep the tc2, for the spark arrestor & stealth benefits. will it fit with the PC pipe? or, will i need to fit the PC silencer, too? or does PC even make a spart arrestor silencer? and if they do..., is it as quiet as the tc2?
'99 220. fmf granly rev. tc2 silencer. everything fits jes' dandy!
but Ol' Gouge spends a certain amount of obligatory time on his starboard side, which requires frequent pipe repairs. getting time to spruce up Ol' Gouge & give him a shiny new pipe.
and i like to experiment.
i'd like to keep the tc2, for the spark arrestor & stealth benefits. will it fit with the PC pipe? or, will i need to fit the PC silencer, too? or does PC even make a spart arrestor silencer? and if they do..., is it as quiet as the tc2?
Re: something new, something blue.
Here is the web page for the silencer for your bike.
http://shop.procircuit.com//s/shop/item.asp_Q_hardparts_E_1_A_id_E_262580
And from what I have heard, not experieced, it is not as quiet as the FMF.
B.
Here is the web page for the silencer for your bike.
http://shop.procircuit.com//s/shop/item.asp_Q_hardparts_E_1_A_id_E_262580
And from what I have heard, not experieced, it is not as quiet as the FMF.
B.
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I put an FMF pipe & tc2 on my 99' 200 last year. I expected to have all kinds of problems from what i have read on this forum. All i can say is that it was relatively painless. Everything fit like i expected it to. I even think (pretty sure) that it came with mounting hardware & grommets.
I guess i am glad to be one of the "odd men out" on this one.
I guess i am glad to be one of the "odd men out" on this one.
The tc2 should fit with a PC pipe. PC makes a spark arrestor silencer, but as Tantrum said, I have also heard that it is not as quiet as the tc2. It can't be that loud though: I run a PC factory sound silencer and it is barely any louder than the stock silencer, even without a spark arrestor.
I got a Pro Circuit Factory Sound 304 silencer for my '00 KX250, it didn't come with rubber grommets either. Neither did the FMF Power Core for my KX500, or the Pro Circuit Factory Sound 304 for my KX500.
Just use the ones from your stock silencer.:think
Just use the ones from your stock silencer.:think
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Cam
I repeat: THE STOCK SILENCER ON A KDX DOES NOT COME WITH ANY GROMMETS. IT BOLTS DIRECTLY TO THE FRAME WITH GROMMETLESS "HARD" BOLTS, NO SPACERS, NO GROMMETS -JUST BOLTS.
The FMF PC II comes with large holes in it designed to place grommets through them, if FMF doesn't provide you these grommets then you are screwed or you have to cobble something together.
I re used the grommets on my neighbors 01 YZ 250 to mount his, it fit like a glove. I figured I would have the same luck but I did not. Rocky Mountain has some grommets on the way for me. Never got crap from FMF even though they said they would sent them right off to me.
