I'm scared, tell me what's gonna happen

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I have a 2001 XR250 but am getting rid of it this summer or fall for a new KTM 250 E/XC. The guy at the dealer said i would more easily adjust to this than the 200 since the 250 will have more bottom end, sounds good to me. But the bike has 26 more horse than my bike with a pipe and filter. KTM has some new deal that with the 250 purchase i get a set of free tires. I would rather have a discount on the $6100 bike. Anyone know of a cheaper 250 E/XC in the midwest? i'm in nebraska. ANYWAYS, before i dump 3k into it, am i gonna just love this bike? I hope so, by the way i've never ridden a 2-smoke. A friend is taking me out to ride his CR125 this weekend, to kind of compare. What should i try and do? what's going on? Should i spend this much? I don't really have the money to just blow. All advice and opinions welcome, thanks
 

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You will never regret getting a 400 exc, if you must have a 2 stroke the 200 exc is the next best thing. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
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Besides being a 2-stroke, that is where the similarities stop between the 250 exc and the CR125. IMO dont use that comparison for buying the 250 exc. I ride a 1999 250 exc...it is an awesome bike and would recommend it to anyone unless you plan to ride very much MX. The bike has smooth power, but dont let that fool you...it has alot of it.
 
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I know i know

all i hear is how good the 200 e/xc is and it IS a hell of a lot cheaper, but i want the low end power of a 250 like my XR, so that i don't have to clutch and rev the crap out of it too ride. And i'm not scared about the bike thing, i put that so lots of people would open the post and read it atleast. anyways, all you guys with the 250's? do you like them? will they last? Thanks
 

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If this helps; I ride a 360EXC, (lots of power), And I got the opportunity to ride the 200, and was very impressed. I thought I wouldn't like it coming off of mine, but the gear spacing is so perfect that it has power everywhere, and is almost like a 250.
 
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XREnduroKid, the 200 has a lot of torque for a small bore 2st. You cannot compare it to a 125 as they are very different. Try and ride a 200 & 250 first before you buy anything. You will be amzed at that little 200s lugging ability.

Just my .02c worth...
 
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Comparing it with a CR 125 is kinda hard. I had a 96 CR 125 and hated it. I was young and stupid and thought I was a better rider than I was. I swore off 2 strokes after that bike. Then I rode a friends 99 250 exc and fell in love with it. I feel really comfortable on the bike and I made the same switch you did from a XR 250. My brother has a 2001 CR 125 and I'm not all that great at riding it, but I can ride my EXC with no problem. The amount of low end the bikes have is totally different. The bike should last you for as long as you need it to with proper matinence. If you're also thinking about the 200 I'd suggest riding both bikes first and deciding which is best for your riding.
 

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IDktm is right, riding is the best, if you can. I've been throught three 250's including a '97 KTM 250 EXC in the last 5 years. Every time I think about a 250 and buy one I regret it. The 200 is like a 7/8 250, very good bottom, but 2 stokes need revs to have torque, 4 strokes have torque much lower and that is why they are easier to ride and ride faster longer. An old guy like me just gets plain wore out from riding a 250 2 stroke, despite working out a couple times a week between rides. I wish I could ride a 250 2 stroke fast, but chewing gum and walking have always been a problem also. You will simply be amazed at the bottom end of the 400 4 strokes, especially coming from an XR250, (that's what my son rides) I spoke with my KTM dealer a few days ago and they had a 400 exc in stock as well as some 250/300's. e-mail me if you would like the name and number.
 

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Comparing a 250 2-stroke and a 400 4-stroke is un-fair! Sure, horsepower-wise they are very comparable, but ANY larger bore bike is going to have more torque.
My KTM360 has every bit as much torque as my old XR500 did, (probably more!), and makes more horsepower, faster.The only validity I see in your point is that someone who is looking for strictly a trail bike, not a dedicated race bike (such as a 250 for racing in a 250 only class) may be better off with a mid-bore thumper. I'm sure this was the point you were trying to make, and just wanted to clarify that.:D
 
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The only thing that's keeping me from the 400 e/xc is the Mt. Everest high price and the heavy weight. I ONLY WEIGH 168 WITH GEAR. It does have the button and that would be nice but that's alot of weight.
How do you guys get out and ride these bikes before you buy? I belong to a place called Timber Ridge in Iowa with 95 families belonging, and the place is 4000 acres. I never see anyone except the occasionaly KDX flying past on a different trail. Thanks
 

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XREndurokid,

I don't know who your dealer is in Omaha but many of the guys that race enduros and hare scramble from that area actually buy their bikes from Funmart Cycle in Moline, Illinois. You might give Tim a call and see what they can do for you. By the way, those free tires that come with the bike are much better than the stock tires for conditions in your area.

I see that you are a member of Timber Ridge. You should attend the AMA hare scrambles that is coming up there in a couple of weeks. Even if you don't ride it would be a good experence to see just how fast some of those riders are. :) As a plus, you could talk to the riders about their KTM opinions, etc.

Trewent,
Old guys get worn out from riding 250 2-strokes????:eek: I'm 54 and I ride a KTM 200 and love it because it is light, torquey, fast and just plain fun to ride. I know a whole bunch of other "old guys" that ride the same bike and feel the same way about it.
 

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Go Orange!

I just made the same switch. I had an XR 200 and went to an EXC 200. The KTM is so wonderful that I cannot even begin to describe it--it is a world apart from the XR. The 200 has power everywhere and you don’t have to use the clutch a lot and it lugs down really well. Now don’t get me wrong, you do have to use the clutch more than you would on the XR so that’s a skill you will learn. It’s not an easy transition to make but it is worth the frustration. I wasn’t a great rider to begin with and my first attempt at a hare scramble aboard the KTM showed me exactly how much I needed to work on my riding skills. But since then I’ve made progress by leaps and bounds and already feel that I’m getting faster every day, both on the mx track and on the trails. I still don’t have the control to ride the really tight stuff but I’m getting there. 2-strokes aren’t beginner bikes and they aren’t lazy person bikes. Despite the trail bike image with headlights and kickstand, this is an enduro race machine right out of the box.

I would highly recommend the KTM. 200 if you can find one, 250 if you can’t, though having ridden both I’d recommend the 200. The 250 has a lot more bottom end but it’s deceiving. It starts pulling immediately off idle and you have a tendency to forget that and wait for it to hit powerband. It will pull your arms out before you ever get on the pipe. It has tons of torque and can get unruly if you’re not used to it.

So find a 200, and learn to use the clutch a little more than you have been, and remember to stand up because KTM seats will bruise your behind unlike soft XR seats! Have fun!
 

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I recently rode a 2000 XR 250, 100% stock. I recently bought a stock Gas Gas EC 250. The Gas Gas's bottom end is fine. It'll lug up any rock hill I try. It will also pop the front end up and over any log I come to with just a twist of the throttle. I can't speak about the 200 vs 250 comparison but the low end of a two stroke 250 enduro is fine compared to the XR. What you gain on top end and in handing is great.:)
 
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Thanks guys all this information is just GREAT. Although it is making me think more and more. I just got back from riding 48 miles of trails this morning over in Iowa and saw many guys on 2-strokes. I was wondering, DO YOU HAVE TO EITHER BE ON OR OFF THE GAS? All i hear when riding is gas....gas....gas..gas.ggggaaasssss. On my XR i gas..gas...gasssssssssssssssssss...gassssssssss? Is it hard on a 2-stroke to have more even throttle control? Do these guys riding the 2-smokes just like to hear the pipes? I'm lost, Thanks
 

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On a 2-smoker you don't have the motor braking- they'll coast forever, so they only need an occasional 'tap' of the throttle to maintain speed. It's really quite simple once you get the hang of it.I find it more fun, because if you tap it hard, the back end breaks loose very easily.:D