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I think they should use the rule of who ran into whom, In the langston incident he ran in on evans and initiated contact. In the KW/DV incidents, it was DV that initiated both contacts, the first intentionally and the second unintentional, KW just shoose to put his bike in front of the line that DV would take (I believe that is the definition of a block pass)
Uh-huh... and what exactly was DV's line in the previous cornor... he didn't take the fast way, he took the way to keep KW behind him. Kevin did the same thing the next cornor. Hard racing by both competiors, it just happend DV wasn't ready to be blocked back, a foolish mistake, but maybe he really thought he had parked the big 450!
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It seems the vast majority of motoheads agree with me.
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Nice flip!
You can look at this any way you want, but I liked K-dub serving notice that he's not taking it anymore. Maybe some of Iron Mike is rubbing off on K-dub. Do you think DV would have rubbed Larocket like that? If memory serves me correct - DV did rub Larocket once and like the incident with K-dub, found himself sampling soil shortly thereafter.
I believe and K-dub admitted he planned on blocking/bumping DV, but I also believe he didn't believe the bump would be hard enough to take DV out - and wouldn't have if DV had backed off like K-dub did the corner earlier.
10 Points well spent K-dub! I always knew you had the talent. Now build from this, let this be the defining moment of when K-dub served notice that he had developed the attitude and mental toughness to become the next Champion. Keep it clean, but dirty enough to be respected.. right Mike
I believe and K-dub admitted he planned on blocking/bumping DV, but I also believe he didn't believe the bump would be hard enough to take DV out - and wouldn't have if DV had backed off like K-dub did the corner earlier.
10 Points well spent K-dub! I always knew you had the talent. Now build from this, let this be the defining moment of when K-dub served notice that he had developed the attitude and mental toughness to become the next Champion. Keep it clean, but dirty enough to be respected.. right Mike
Ok... TiVo caught the replay of the race so this time round I sat and watched both incidents in fast and slow-mo a whole bunch of times. In the first turn, when DV block passed KW, he went in parallel with KW and put on a pretty aggressive block pass. It didn't appear to me to be an intentional attempt to take KW down, but DV certainly didn't leave KW any room either. Important is the fact that the two went into the corner parallel to each other. KW knew DV was there and probably could anticipate the block pass was coming. In the next turn, KW clearly had no intention of making that turn without contact. In fact, his front wheel doesn't even start to turn in until DV is about 2 feet from making contact. KW's bike is completely perpendicular to the track at that point. In this instance, the two were not side by side going into the corner. KW took such an odd line that I doubt DV would've saw him until the last second. I like KW, probably second only to CR and in fact I don't care much for DV, but let's call a spade a spade. It was a take out move. Even if DV's move was an attempt at one, it doesn't change the fact that KW's clearly was. Heck, even the much revered David Bailey thought it was and I'd figure that he should know. As I said in an earlier post, if Langston had pulled that exact same move on KW, everyone in here would be calling for his head.
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marcusgunby
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100% correct IMO.
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From Ryan Clark at Anaheim Two:
Hello all!
Sorry I can't do this in the main page, but I will improvise.
I am staying with Kenny Adams from Dragon Optical in San Clemente. Today I rode practice at Anaheim and felt great. I rode the both sessions pretty hard and put down some fast lap times. The track is quite different than the first two rounds. There is this huge step up/step up/step down/step down and a set of real sand whoops. I don't know how it will work out for passing, but it is fun and challenging. There are also two long sets of skim whoops, which should work to my advantage.
Rewinding a bit, last night I went to the Chaparral fan appreciation night. The place was packed and I signed hundreds of posters, shirts and hats. I sat next to Sebastian Tortelli, who is sidelined with a knee injury again this season. He seemed pretty bummed out to be missing Supercross for the second year in a row. He is a really cool guy, and I wish him a successful recovery. The guys from Speedfreaks were doing the announcing and raffling off a bunch of free prizes. Along the way they were busting on a lot of riders. Apparently David Vuillemin took it personally and decided to stand up and say something to the announcer. He actually tried to grab the microphone out of the announcer's hand, but he couldn't. The announcer told him to sit down and chill out, but Vuillemin was fired up. When he finally did take his seat Kevin Windham yelled out "take ten points" and everyone started laughing. It was a pretty funny exchange, and pretty embarrasing for Vuillemin. Maybe not as embarrasing as looping out, but close.
I head back out to the track tomorrow morning for Friday practice. A couple more sessions and I should be up to race pace early. Take care and have a great day. Ryan
LMAO at Kevin's quip! At least he has a sense of humor about the whole deal. :worship:
Hello all!
Sorry I can't do this in the main page, but I will improvise.
I am staying with Kenny Adams from Dragon Optical in San Clemente. Today I rode practice at Anaheim and felt great. I rode the both sessions pretty hard and put down some fast lap times. The track is quite different than the first two rounds. There is this huge step up/step up/step down/step down and a set of real sand whoops. I don't know how it will work out for passing, but it is fun and challenging. There are also two long sets of skim whoops, which should work to my advantage.
Rewinding a bit, last night I went to the Chaparral fan appreciation night. The place was packed and I signed hundreds of posters, shirts and hats. I sat next to Sebastian Tortelli, who is sidelined with a knee injury again this season. He seemed pretty bummed out to be missing Supercross for the second year in a row. He is a really cool guy, and I wish him a successful recovery. The guys from Speedfreaks were doing the announcing and raffling off a bunch of free prizes. Along the way they were busting on a lot of riders. Apparently David Vuillemin took it personally and decided to stand up and say something to the announcer. He actually tried to grab the microphone out of the announcer's hand, but he couldn't. The announcer told him to sit down and chill out, but Vuillemin was fired up. When he finally did take his seat Kevin Windham yelled out "take ten points" and everyone started laughing. It was a pretty funny exchange, and pretty embarrasing for Vuillemin. Maybe not as embarrasing as looping out, but close.
I head back out to the track tomorrow morning for Friday practice. A couple more sessions and I should be up to race pace early. Take care and have a great day. Ryan
LMAO at Kevin's quip! At least he has a sense of humor about the whole deal. :worship:
now think about this guys, k-dub is faster than dv, he would have made the pass if not there in the next corner, it was going to happen. so what does he have to gain by taking dv out when he could just pass him later anyways?nothing, he has everything to lose because he might go down with him. that wouldn't make a take-out move very smart on his part but a clean block pass would be, its pretty clear to me anyways that this was just a block pass that was cut a little to close.
Check it out: http://racerxill.com/RXimages/racerhead/0403/DVKW1copy.jpg
Spin it any way you want it Kdub went in there to knock down DV. The guy who retaliates is the guy who gets punished almost always. DV is still looking at his fender in that shot, you know he knew Kdub was there at the point, I don't get it. That being said the new boss monkey over at AMA pro racing needs to be caned, what the hell is he thinking? Nothing good will come of this point taking crap. Hey did you guys see the DV meltdown over on Mototalk? That was some funny stuff.
Spin it any way you want it Kdub went in there to knock down DV. The guy who retaliates is the guy who gets punished almost always. DV is still looking at his fender in that shot, you know he knew Kdub was there at the point, I don't get it. That being said the new boss monkey over at AMA pro racing needs to be caned, what the hell is he thinking? Nothing good will come of this point taking crap. Hey did you guys see the DV meltdown over on Mototalk? That was some funny stuff.
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That's a really good argument, but it could also be used to show that it was accidental.
<edit> LOL - Why am I repeating what you just said? :confused:
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Jon K.
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Howsabout this; turn it around;
Let's imagine for a moment; KW does an aggresive block pass / take-out move . . . . what ever you want to call it . . . . . on DV.
Next corner; DV comes in and punts KW into the cheap seats.
What do you think now? Would anyone give a rats behind about the Frenchman? I'm thinking that . . . . . what, 93% of the respondents would be looking to ban DV from AMA Supercross for LIFE., then have him hanged, drawn, and quartered.
Let's imagine for a moment; KW does an aggresive block pass / take-out move . . . . what ever you want to call it . . . . . on DV.
Next corner; DV comes in and punts KW into the cheap seats.
What do you think now? Would anyone give a rats behind about the Frenchman? I'm thinking that . . . . . what, 93% of the respondents would be looking to ban DV from AMA Supercross for LIFE., then have him hanged, drawn, and quartered.
The difference between a block pass and a take out often has as much to do with the recipient as the person admistoring the block. DV ran all the way across the turn to keep KW behind. He shut down, and took his turn to keep DV behind in the next cornor... DV thought he had the line, so he didn't shut down, and so down he went. Just food for thought....
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