Stewart faster???

[rodH]

Man, I keep reading stuff on this site before actually seeing the race. It is interesting that the Bubba fans say "JBS woulda coulda shoulda won if......."

Interesting that they throw out races like the SX were ricky crashed and broke his linkage, Hangtown moto 1 where he had the holeshot and crashed, etc, etc.......They also act like this race-High point, would have been JBS win a win, IF he didn't crash, interesting that they dismiss where Ricky was faster and setting up some lines to pass and cased a whoop (clearly Ricky made a mistake, but didn't JBS make just as big if not bigger a mistake than RC???).

Also, interesting that James was MUCH faster in practice, and also at the mid-early point in this race, but Ricky is CLEARLY faster later (endurance??? Experience???) and is clearly faster in traffic.

I will admit, JBS might be faster most of the time for the short term, MX is not a "sprint".

Don't act like RIcky clearly would have gotten 2nd had JBS not crashed, if you throw out that crash, throw out Rickys case and Ricky still wins.

Perhaps Ricky knows the "edge" just a bit more than Bubba (maybe too obvious to mention).

Flame away!!!

 

[TheGrinch]

That's the thing about sport. There are so many variables that can effect the outcome. I could have won heaps of races if only I didn't fall, or if only the chain didn't come off, or if only the bike didn't stall in the corner, or if only none of the faster riders turned up :-). If only's don't win trophies at the end of the season.

We all have riders we would prefer to win & that can make us biased.

 

[YamaB]

JBS IS faster... He left RC early in the race until he got held up in lappers... Later in the race when RC passed him, he passed RC back fairly quickly and then opened up a good sized gap after RC bobbled... If JBS hadn't ate it, I'd say he would have had about a 90% chance of winning the race...

Unfortunately for him, faster alone doesn't win championships... RC should be able to coast to another championship...

 

[JST122]

RC should be able to coast to another championship...

RC cant coast just yet. There are still 20 Motos left in the season and an available 500 points left to earn. Way too much can happen in 20 Motos to count Stewart out this early. If (and its a big IF) JS were to win every moto here on out and RC were to be the runner up, JS would pick up 60 points on RC and right now RC is up 48 points. So it is RC's championship to lose right now but one mechanical DNF or bad crash from RC and the tides completely shift. Sure if JS was out for more races I would say RC can coast because as we have seen over the last several seasons, no one else can touch RC, Stewart is the only guy who has proved he can match RC's speed right now. But the season is far from over and if nothing else we should have many more exciting motos to go.

 

[ellandoh]

Stewart has proven nothing at the outdoors. hes taken one moto where RC went down in the first turn. he lead a few laps and went down trying to keep pace. if he would have stayed up , it would have been only delaying the inevitable when riding over your head.

if races were 1 lap JS would probably be untouchable, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

 

[JuliusPleaser]

Nicely put. :)

 

[rodH]

JBS IS faster... He left RC early in the race until he got held up in lappers... Later in the race when RC passed him, he passed RC back fairly quickly and then opened up a good sized gap after RC bobbled... If JBS hadn't ate it, I'd say he would have had about a 90% chance of winning the race...

I guess you didn't understand my point. I thought for a bit that JBS was gonna start pulling away (esp after reading this site about the race and everyone saying that JBS "woulda won"). Then RC came charging back, he was clearly pushing JBS (just like JBS was pushing RC at the beginning). It was NOT only in traffic, but on the open track as well (go watch it again). It isn't until RC cased the jumps when Bubba pulled away.


What I am saying is, if people say JBS "woulda won had he not crashed" I can say "RC woulda won had he not cased the jump (he was clearly on BS butt and faster)" Frankly, RC knows the limits much better, I would rather live with his mistakes than JBS's. Ironically, the ONLY moto JBS has beaten RC is when RC fell at the start and spent had to wait and take forever to start the thing. Like I said, JBS might be faster than anyone for a few laps, but that doesn't last so far in outdoors.

 

[YamaB]

Stewart has proven nothing at the outdoors. hes taken one moto where RC went down in the first turn. he lead a few laps and went down trying to keep pace. if he would have stayed up , it would have been only delaying the inevitable when riding over your head.

if races were 1 lap JS would probably be untouchable, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

You talk as if he was totally out of control out there... That rut kicked his bike funny leading up to the jump, and as a result he ate it... Hardly a stupid mistake... RC made a major bobble trying to keep JBS's pace, so was he also riding over his head??

 

[ellandoh]

he failed to get his bike in proper form in preparation for that jump, something that would not have happened if he were riding , lets say CR pace. i did not see the whole race nor did i see RC bobble, i do know that RC recovered it and took a 1 - 1 for the day.

 

[ellandoh]

im still wondering what JS has proved outdoors besides 250 two strokes give him a belly ache?? apparently he was great on the lites. since moving up all ive heard are excuses from his followers that are starting to remind me of the CR syndrome

 

[Someone]

Stewart has proven nothing at the outdoors...

Now THAT's some funny ass shiznit!!!

 

[Okiewan]

You seem to enjoying someone's mis-fortune?
The ONLY difference between those two is RC saves what JS doesn't. Yet.
And the CR thing? MAJOR stretch.

BTW, the latest JS newsletter is up for everyone's dissection :p
http://jamesstewartonline.com

 

[ellandoh]

Now THAT's some funny ass shiznit!!!

lets see a list :blah:


edit: maybe i should have said liznist :cool:

 

[Mxrider26x]

I know I am going to get a lot for this but, this is James's second year in the 250 class and when RC came up he didn't have to deal with any great riders. Also, I don't see why all you RC fans are saying that James can't do endurance races. That was pretty close to the end and that mistake could have happened to anyone. If RC crashed like that it would have been a "freak accident" but when JBS does it, it is "a stupid mistake" I just think it's annoying how you say that JBS couldn't have held the lead when the only reason he didn't pull away was because he hit a bunch of lappers on a lap. RC made more mistakes than him that race but JBS's was just more obvious.

 

[Someone]

Good RC bashing in that newsletter. :)

 

[karterron]

James is faster, only problem is he can't run that pace for an entire moto. He is so close to the edge that all it takes for a BIG crash is a little back end slide out of the turn which lead to a cross rut. Nothing a Pro doesn't run into at every National, difference was at JBS pace it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Ricky knows it to and realizes all he needs to do is pressure James to force mistakes. When Bubba learns to turn it down to a level he can run for the entire moto's he will still win. When Ricky retires!!!!!

Until then, JBS will never beat Ricky for an outdoor Championship. He can't match Ricky's endurance and speed for the duration.

 

[Someone]

Wow, so many people on this site should be coaches/trainers for these pros since they know everything. I hope James reads that last post and can see what he's doing wrong so he can become a better rider. Kudos to karterron.

 

[Okiewan]

Wow, so many people on this site should be coaches/trainers for these pros since they know everything.

Trust me on this.. there are other sites with WAY more "experts", lol.

 

[Someone]

I am an expert too(in my own mind), it's just no one shares allot of my opinions so I just disagree with theirs instead of sharing mine and giving away free $$$ advice. :)

 

[rodH]

Wow, so many people on this site should be coaches/trainers for these pros since they know everything. I hope James reads that last post and can see what he's doing wrong so he can become a better rider. Kudos to karterron.

Actually I am a Physical Therapist, Athletic Trainer and Strength and Conditioning Specialist. Thanks for reminding me ;)

btw, the "only" reason RC caught up was NOT because of lapped racers (btw, isn't that part of the challange?) he kept JBS's pace and was right on his tail for a while there, UNTIL RC made his mistake.

I think the BIG point is, a LOT of guys can go fast, but can they go fast that LONG without making a mistake (remember, most injuries occur later in a competition, where proper "form" (biomechanics) physical and mental fatigue set in. This is why I think RC was catching him (better training and more experience) and why RC's "mistake" wasn't quit as bad as bubbas.

 

[robwbright]

The person who is "faster" is the one who finishes the race/championship first.

Perhaps Ricky could ride faster than he does if he wanted to increase his # of crashes by 20%. . . But then he wouldn't win the championship, would he? I've always thought Windham looks as if he could ride faster than he does, but he's got a wife and two kids and he's still making a LOT of money. One can hardly argue with his approach if he is "holding back" just a bit to keep his health.

I KNOW I could ride faster than I do, but I don't have insurance and I have to be at work this morning.

 

[Vic]

Bubba is faster- 'til he gets tired.

RC doesn't get tired.

JBS = F.O.A.T.

RC = G.O.A.T.

That is all.

 

[Tony Williams]

I can recall that any national race moto that RC has lost in the last over three years was due to RC's mistake. The single moto that RC lost to CR last year was when RC biffed a whoop section. He got second in that moto. He still went perfect season overall, for three years straight.

This year, he fell in the first moto after holeshotting, the only other moto that RC lost in the past 3 and a half years. He got third. Other than that, 1st place in EVERY MOTO.

Very few of the races that RC won (97% win rate) had anything to due with the other guy's mistake. Stewart was there last year and this year.

The GOAT is truly at the top of his game, and the only place to go is down. Until then, I'm hoping that JS gets better soon, and stays better.

 

[Ryone]

The person who is "faster" is the one who finishes the race/championship first.

The person who makes it past the checkers is the one who wins... doesn't mean he was "faster". I can race Bubba for a lap, and if I didn't crash and he rag-dolls like last weekend, I'll finish first. But, that doesn't mean I'm faster.

Perhaps Ricky could ride faster than he does if he wanted to increase his # of crashes by 20%. . .

That's what I think, too.

I can recall that any national race moto that RC has lost in the last over three years was due to RC's mistake.

Don't forget about Bubba using him as a landing ramp at Unadilla last year. K-dub got first in that moto, and RC soldiered on for second.

I'm starting to really respect Bubba lately. His character and personality have improved a lot since he was in the 125s. He's giving RC props while hanging with him at the same time. He won't de-throne RC, but he deserves the championships that are coming his way.

After seeing that crash, I thought about the crash he had at Daytona in SX, as well as his crash when he landed on RC last year. I wish someone would put all of his wrecks together in a segment... he's had some pretty violent ones.

Ryan

 

[Okiewan]

he's had some pretty violent ones.

as has RC ... IF Stewart learns to save 'em like RC does, watch out.

We nearly lost RC for the year at Dallas, he was so close to hitting that boat. THAT was a MASSIVE save.