Talk about out of hand!!

[Ol'89r]

Originally posted by Jaybird


ol'89r, Not sure what you mean by "walked in those shoes" Who's shoes? The kids, or the teachers, or the media's?

Jaybird.

I was referring to the teachers. If you grew up in a family of teachers, I shouldn't have to exlain it to you. :ugg:

Have you ever been a teacher yourself?

 

[Jaybird]

I had a big, long winded reply all typed up when I decided that it just isn't worth it. I shouldn't have to explain myself.

You know what TTRguy...you are way out of line and your replys show me just what you are made of. Quite rude.

Truespode...sorry that I piss you off. Give me some examples where I have incited trouble and I will post a public appology for each and every one of them. Please try to leave out stuff where it is just a disagreement of opinion from some mental giant who only knows how to attack when they read any sort of dissention. Call me bad names if you must, I could care less....
Call me on my opinion or data and I will respond like an adult, unlike others.

Ol'89r...man, I have no problems with the teacher, other than I want to be informed when there is trouble. We know every detail of our kids school life and have a very clear line of communication with the school and it's administrators. No teacher of any of our kids would ever have to resort to taping our kids mouth shut...they know we will take care of a problem if it arrises. I know teaching is a tough job and especially when you have parents that are worse than the kids. I've never been a licenced teacher no, but I feel I do have a slight grasp of the situation.

 

[MrLuckey]

My last words on the subject to you Jaybird:
Bwaaahaahaa... Now THATS "the pot calling the kettle black"
I really don't care what you think of me. I have met around 300 other DRN members and I doubt if you could find 2 of them to agree with you.
I formed my opinion of you a really long time ago.
and lastly......
Is there someone new here that you are trying to fool? Bye

 

[truespode]

Originally posted by Jaybird
I had a big, long winded reply all typed up when I decided that it just isn't worth it. I shouldn't have to explain myself.

Unfortunately in life everyone gets caught up in explaining themselves. Sometimes it is warranted and sometimes it is just a necessary evil. Online communication brings the need up b/c of how easy it is to mis-communicate.

Truespode...sorry that I piss you off.

Go back and re-read my post. I never said I was pissed off. You are blowing my post out of proportion.

It is more frustration at times than getting pissed off. Trust me, I haven't gotten pissed off at anyone online in a very long time. The frustration isn't all the time either. For example, I can bet that you have read stuff by me and said "what an ass" under your breath but never typed it. It is natural to have that much of a differing opinion and I wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me.

Give me some examples where I have incited trouble and I will post a public appology for each and every one of them.

MY perception is that your post in this thread was inciteful. Maybe in your mind it was just a differing opinion but I found it to be written in a way to take it off-topic and into an argument. If I'm wrong... oh well. That is just how I perceived it. Right or wrong.

Please try to leave out stuff where it is just a disagreement of opinion from some mental giant who only knows how to attack when they read any sort of dissention.

That would limit my choices now wouldn't it ;) (please note my use of smileys)

Call me bad names if you must, I could care less....
Call me on my opinion or data and I will respond like an adult, unlike others.

I don't plan on calling you a bad name. I didn't do it here. The way I felt when I first read your post did make me want to call you an ass but I thought better about it b/c of the collection of posts I have read by you. I agree with you more times than you may think.

I would say don't take this personally but that is hard not to do when you feel you are being attacked (and I think that is what you perceive). Also, in writing this it is harder to express what I really am trying to say. Saying "you are an ass but that isn't always a bad thing" sounds like a cop out online but it is basically the best I can think of right now.

This is an emotional topic and we are all trying to lend support. I hope you support Aimee and understand her position and that your only point is to point out a different perspective to the general topic of taping a kids mouth shut. Well, for many of us that isn't the point of this thread. The point is to support Aimee and share our own experiences if we can of where someone was treated badly b/c the truth was twisted around.

Your point, while some may think it was on topic, IMO was off topic and took the thread from one of support to antagonism with you.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Sometimes I'm too wordy but here it is in as much of a nutshell as I can think of... your comment in relation to this topic was inciteful b/c it took the topic from one of support and contempt for things getting blown out of proportion to one of contention with you and your opinion.

At least that is how I perceived it. Don't take that to mean I don't want to debate topics or discuss things with you. It just means that at times I'm going to really disagree as I'm sure you will with me.

Now go ahead... call me an ass :) I probably deserve it. My wife calls me one under her breath all the time.

Ivan

 

[CanadianRidr]

Ivan you are an ass. :confused: (Don't know why I said it, just because you told me to I guess)

Aimee, believe it or not I had this EXACT same thing happen to me. We were all joking around in class, and my teacher said "jokingly" I don't know what will keep you queit, I should tape your mouth shut. We laughed and students egged her on, so she put a LITTLE piece of scotch tape on my mouth, for the next minute or two I would mumble in class and make sounds and we had a great time laughing about it. I took it off after awhile and we all thought it was pretty damn funny. :)
It's not your mom, it's today's soceity. These parents probably both work rediculous hours drive SUV's worth have the value of most people's house, raise their kids on babysitters and tv and get mad when someone touches or jokes with their "precious little baby" bitching whining and moaning is the "trendy inthing" now a days :| My parents tell me about how if they talked out of hand they would get belted, smacked etc.......
Ill take a laugh and some tape thank you very much. maybe someone outta tape these parents mouths shut and tell then how it is and how it should be.

Bottom line, people will always bitch and moan. Unfortunately sometimes they are heard. (By more morons I might add) But a group of morons in power will rule :( It's pretty sad that we have to tread so lightly in hopes we won't tick of ms. and mr. suburbia :|

PS. That is why in Canada we are having teacher strikes ALL OVER. Thankfully I just got into college and missed them. But one main reason was that teachers now have to deal with bitchy parents who have the time to roll up in there $100,000 lexus and wine about how some teacher ACTUALLY called there LAZY kid lazy. God forbid the truth, maybe if your kid wasn't so damn lazy he would not be called that. There was actually a court case about this, headline in the paper read "Judge says, maybe if child was not so lazy he would not have been called that"
Oh dear cover your ears and drink your moutain spring bottled water and quit your bitchin. If these parents were SO concered they would have taken the time to actually teach there kids something. When the hell did teaching also turn into "Please raise my spoiled kid while I go have lunch with the girls"

PPS. Sorry got a little heated, had to many smiles then all erased, got even more heated. Just ignore me lol

 

[Jaybird]

Please excuse me for offering a reply to this post. I was way out of line in saying that the kid needs some extra guidance from home. I was also way out of line by saying that the teacher had no business taping the kids mouth, she had every right and should continue to use this procedure...seems like it's quite effective, don't you think?

I'm also sorry that I suggested that it may upset Speedy if it were her kid, quite obviously it would be the proper form of discipline for her kids.

Please don't make that your last word, TTRGuy, you were doing so well and making such great sense. You HAD to be on the debate team in school. Bravo.
I'm sure nobody agrees with me on anything I post, that's why I post. I love seeing well thought out reply's such as yours. Rest assured...everyone loves you and hates me! :) (and I didn't even take a poll)

If what mom did was correct, then logic dictates it should continue. Wonder what Mom thinks.

I do agree that it is a shame when the media and people who have no business getting involved "incite" such problems. Although, you would have thought I posted that I backed their actions to the hilt. (Hmmmmm :think: )

 

[a454elk]

I can see one thing here, mis-communication. Jaybird, you might be missing the whole point of this incident. I usually try and tell Mrs. Elk this but it never works, hopefully it will here. The tape was done as a little joke at the hands of the teacher AND the student. It was not done to seriously stop the child from talking. I'm sure if it were serious, she would have sent him out of the class. She's not a new teacher and being around as long as she has, she obviously is doing something right. If you base your whole response on the premise that it was the only way she had to control the situation then yes, I agree, it would be way out of line. It's sad to see how bent out of shape a thread can get when the response is written based on a misconception. I do agree that this thread was one of support and if it was other than that, it would have been put in the flame forum for everyone to jump in on and give their own opinions.

I'm not writing this to try and make everyone get along, I do that enough at work! What I am saying is that when a post is written based on miscommunication, then it causes off camber results. Don't take offense with my response but I don't like to see bad posts between people that usually are able to get their own points across without the bad blood.

 

[biglou]

I would just like to second the motion that Ivan is an ass. :eek: :debil:


Just playin' around, Ivan. :)

 

[Jaybird]

Well, you make good points, Elk. In this thread, I merely posted what I thought about the situation. ANd what I had to say was definately mis-communicated or I am in the twilight zone.
To me the kid has a lot of explaining to do at home. No...I won't even go there becasue this would not happen with our kids. If there was a real problem we would have been informed and if the situation did not change, then there are written guidelines that explain, what the next measure is, to a tee.

The way I read this was that the teacher had a kid who was "Incessantly dissruptive" Now...in my mind I don't see a congenial smiling teacher who is joking and the kid playing along with the joke just for the classroom's benifit if this kid is in fact dissruptive as described. I see a show-off kid who won't shut up and a teacher who is fed up with it and tapes his mouth. Bottom line, that is not the best thing in the world to be doing and I would be upset...my degree of upset would not be very high on the scale...sheesh we are talking Scotch tape here (or at least I am again speculating on what type of tape..TTRguy assures me it wasn't duct tape...I'm certain he knows)...
My greatest anger is going to be with my kid in this instance, as I stated from the beginning.
I still am unclear as to who the parent was that drove this media buggy....the kids or another un-involved kids parent?
No matter I guess, the media frenzy that happens in these instances are quite common in the "land of knowing better than the rest of us."

Off point a bit again...I deserved none of the hack job I recieved. Heavan forbid you ever disagree with (or fail to pamper) TTRGuy or Speedy.

 

[CanadianRidr]

Speedy's email said in the first few lines

I put a piece of masking tape on his mouth

 

[Mully]

Jaybird,

Reading many of your posts over the months I have but one question for you.

Can you ever let something drop without continuing to stir the pot ? :confused:

Mully

 

[TwinSpar]

Talk about out of hand... this thread is freakin out of hand. I thought everyone was allowed an opinion around here. Guess not. :|

My opinion, for what it's worth (about $0)...
All the parties are guilty to some extent. The parents were complete morons for accepting an apology and then pulling the stunt that they did. They demonstrate a complete lack of honor by showing that kind of behavior to their child. Humor is great but it doesn't teach anything to the child about their offense... other than that being disruptive can occasionally get you attention. Children (any age) understand and learn from consistancy in punishment/problem management.

I would almost be afraid to ask what the kid learned from this media fiasco. :silly:

 

[MrLuckey]

First of all leave speedy out of this. I don't think she even acknowled your existence! Something I should have done. If you think anybody is pampering TTRGuy why don't you just take it up with me?
And yes I do know the particulars of the situation and you are dead wrong! The parent doing the complaining is NOT the parent of the involved child! As a matter of fact she stood up in front of a lot of people recently and was barely coherent rambling on about her childhood. She said absolutely nothing about the incident or the teacher and basically mumbled until her husband stood up and helped her to her seat.
FYI A small piece of masking tape was put on the childs mouth, the child then started giggling and said something about it not being enough or something similar. The whole class cracked up and another piece of tape was jokingly applied. This really caused a lot of laughter (by ALL the students). The child himself was laughing and could still talk quite well. There has yet to be any student state that they saw any harm in it the fun and hilarity. A petition is being formed that is fully expected to be signed by EVERY child that has been in her class for the last 3-4 years AND their parents. This is a case of a woman with slightly psychotic and disturbed behavior gaining the ear of the media. SELLS PAPERS ya know. The parent in question isn't even allowed on campus now without first meeting with the principal and being escorted around campus because of other very strange behavior by her. She totally ripped another teacher because her childs backpack was outside in the rain and her child might have to carry a wet backpack home. (of course the teachers fault) If you have any questions or would like more clarification please let me know. I'll try to keep you from having to assume anything.
For everyone else, I am very sorry that this thread turned into this. I apologize for letting my emotions get the best of me. Jaybird, please accept my apologies, I feel that you were just making snap judegements based on bad assumptions.

 

[MrLuckey]

Twinspar - Actually I see quite the opposite. I see everyone expressing their opinion. Whether it is based on fact, speculation or pure emotion. And in return I see others expressing their opinions. Seems to be playing out much the way other threads do when someone states an opinion that other, more informed individuals disagree with. Try going into Rich's forum and just 'blowing smoke with nothing to back it up'! How about going around ripping a manufacturer or sponsor based on emotion (without doing any research or having any facts). Nope, it seems like everyone, no matter how uninformed, is having their say to me.

The parents of the child (AND THAT CHILD) have no beef with anyone or anything at all. They have publicly stated that they KNOW it was in fun and that their child also thought it was funny. DOESN"T SELL NEWSPAPERS though. The complainer is NOT the parent of the child in question, it is a person looking for 15 minutes of fame, fortune or merely a person on a quest to destroy a damn good teacher. Personally I think the complaining parent should take her children out of public school and home school them if its so horrific! Let her do that for about 9 months!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jaybird]

I think you should post some of your PM's here, TTR, guy. Then we could see just how hollow your apology is. Don't butter it up for the screen. Also, I will never post anything in an e-mail or a PM that I would not post here. Can you say the same?


Mully, hey man...sorry that I form opinions, and when I feel I'm correct I will continue to address it. But not for one minute will I ever get to a point that I can't be changed, but to change a man one needs to post good info. Hacking a person and then continuing with an opportunistic vent session sucks, to be quite honest. Many posts have been nuked at first glance for less than what TTRGuy said, and with just cause.

I'm done....y'all listen to some more of this senseless crapola if you want to, but for me...I know when I'm outnumbered.

 

[MrLuckey]

Whatever! Anyone, who knows me, definitely knows better. Yes I PM'd Jaybird to attempt to keep this out of the forums, no it wasn't anything worse than has been said here. And yes I got the typical childish response I was expecting. Do just a LITTLE research before you comment on something if you want to be taken seriously!

 

[Jaybird]

:moon: <----research THIS!

(is this pot stirring? :debil: )

 

[TwinSpar]

Originally posted by TTRGuy
The parents of the child (AND THAT CHILD) have no beef with anyone or anything at all. They have publicly stated that they KNOW it was in fun and that their child also thought it was funny. DOESN"T SELL NEWSPAPERS though. The complainer is NOT the parent of the child in question, it is a person looking for 15 minutes of fame, fortune or merely a person on a quest to destroy a damn good teacher. Personally I think the complaining parent should take her children out of public school and home school them if its so horrific! Let her do that for about 9 months!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry... I didn't understand the situation from Speedy's Mother's note. It was vague enough so that I interpreted it as the same parents.

I still think that incessant interruptions should be dealt with more firmly. I realize that it is nearing the end of the school year and kids get full of it, but it still needs to be reigned in. I don't know how old the kid is, but mixed signals really can confuse them when the are younger. I had a similar problem with my oldest (5th grader). Harmless but always interupting with questions. The teacher handled it in a humorous way once. Not a good way to handle it with him. He tries to be funny himself and that just kind of nudged him into doing it more often.

 

[bscottr]

Anybody going to DW '02? :silly:

 

[Mully]

Originally posted by Jaybird
:moon: <----research THIS!

(is this pot stirring? :debil: )

As everyone knows, I very seldom get into these discussions unless it is something that I feel strongly about. To that end, YES, Jaybird, it is. :|

 

[Camstyn]

Listen, man, you're harshing my mellow. Just chill, mmmmkay?
:cool:

 

[Jaybird]

Let me be certain I'm straight on this, Mully. You feel very strongly on this and you went off topic to add your vent...so does this mean that you have a specific beef with me or any specific post? To be honest with you, I know for a fact I come off as a bit hard to take...know-it-all-ish, spout off alot...etc...but hey, I try my best to add any bit of knowledge that I can offer to the site. Sure, I comment on just about anything going, and have very opinionated...lets say "rightwinged" views. But I'll be dipped if I'm going to make a statement or provide any data, be it anecdotal or hardcopy factual, and have some knubskull with a number 3 hat size pop off and disclaim what I said because he can see no other avenues in his narrow mind. Nope, not gonna happen. If that is pot stirring, then I'm guilty.
Now, if you have any specific incidents that come to mind and you feel I need to be called on them, feel free to do so. I have never intended to antagonize anyone....nor have I ever intended to incite anything other than maybe heated discussion or thought.

Opinions are like bungs, and we all gots em.
This whole thing got started because I stated my opinion and it was not liked. I attacked nobody nor incited nothing, simply stated my opinion.
My question for you is, at what point in this thread did it go south...be very honest.

To all who I've bored to tears, mucho sorry's.

 

[Mully]

Originally posted by Truespode

This is an emotional topic and we are all trying to lend support. I hope you support Aimee and understand her position and that your only point is to point out a different perspective to the general topic of taping a kids mouth shut. Well, for many of us that isn't the point of this thread. The point is to support Aimee and share our own experiences if we can of where someone was treated badly b/c the truth was twisted around.

Maybe I said it wrong. Or did you miss the smiley face in my first post. What I said the first time was a hint and nothing more. The quote above is what the bottom line is, plain and simple. There have been many times that I missed a hint to cool it and ended up feeling like a heel. Yes, I will say that you do come across a little gruff at times, but it takes all kinds to make up this world. This is someone’s mother we are arguing about here. Someone from this site, this family. Let’s reverse the roles here and say it was your mother that was experiencing this hardship. And, someone, instead of offering support, threw out a very similar remark. How would that make you feel??

Mully

 

[Jaybird]

Originally posted by Jaybird
If the kid is a disruption during class time then he needs to have some lesson planning from his parents. Perhaps a trip to the priciples office and some detention...but to tape his mouth shut? I too would be upset. I know kids don't seem to get the guidance they should from home these days, but it in no way gives any teacher the right to take disiplinary matters to a level that is "not the norm".
I would be upset with her as well for taping my kids mouth shut, but not half as upset as I would be with my kid for insiting such a situation.
IMHO, they were both in the wrong. Problem is, teachers are supposed to know better, kids are still learing. Speedy, can you honestly say that this situation would not upset you if it were your kid?
These folks wanting to take this further probably have little better to do with their lives.

If it were me, I would probably see it as another opinion. I'm not sure how I would "feel" but that seems to be the only issue here....I said something that may hurt someones feelings. Well, for that I'm sorry, but for offering my opinion I'm not.
How do you think I feel now, having been trashed by TTRGuy as if I had said she needs jail or something. And then to be the target...yeah I feel real good about this whole thing. Especially when the thing takes a sideline for pileup mode. I feel just peachy about it all.
I guess I should have known (stupid me...smacks forehead) that posting a reply to something in the members only forum means there should be no honest comment, but only offer hugs and sympathy.

I was attacked for my opinion, plain and simple, then I also recieve less than cordial PM's from TTRGuy when in almost the same breath he's offering appology's for all to see....Trust me...his appology was not sincere..it was a show for the board. Yeah, I feel real good, Thanks all.

If I read you correctly, Mullly...this thing indeed went south when I offered my opinion, yes?

 

[Vic]

LOL @ Cam :confused:

Howsabout we agree to disagree, on this one and take comfort in the knowledge that we're all in agreement about Ivan being an ass. :moon: :D