To do the double or not?

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Okay, no it's not ME, it's my son. Just turned 9, 4'8" tall, 85 lbs not a small boy. Has been riding since he was 4.5 on the trails. Started SX last year on his KX60. Now racing in 60 beginners on the KX and in 80 beginners on his 01CR80E with 2" smaller rims.

He loves air but has NOT attempted a double. This is an ugly double to me (but so are some whoops). It is actually a triple about 85' long. The takeoff is about 6-7 feet tall and from crest 1 to crest 2 is about 40'. I have watched some pretty good riders crash HARD!

He wants to do the double but he only gets on a track 1 to 2 times a month for either a race or an organized practice. I don't know, should I let him or make him wait until he can practice with a friend's son that does very well in the 80's and 125's? Is a double THAT hard to do on an 80 or am I just being too cautious?

If I let him do it, what advice should I give him besides to commit one way or the other?
 
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Your son will have too be halling some arse! If its right out of a corner and there isnt too much runway room then I wouldnt let him try it, but if it is on a straight away with some room too gain speed and room too stop then I would tell him too look at it closely and size it up;)
 

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It is on a straightaway so the approach is okay BUT it is actually a triple so the landing is between the 2nd & 3rd bump. They are pretty steep on both sides so the landing is what really makes me nervous.

So, which is better to come up a little short or long since it is a triple? Which gear on a CR80E? 3rd? I told him he needs to try to ride along with someone that does the double part to see what their speed is but that is difficult to do when he isn't as fast as the top kids in his class.

Anymore advice? Does the testosterone HAVE to kick in this darn early?
 
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If you know he has the experience to and know that he will probably clear it, but are a little hesitant since you are scared he might get hurt.I would let him do it if you think hes ready and wants to do it.If you don't think he has the experience then I wouldn't let him try it till you thought he did.Just my 2 cents.:cool:
 
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I think you should let him attempt it, make sure he knows it is not a good idea though. If he fails then I suspect that he will listen to dad a little better form now on. Be prepared, if he makes it he will not only want to do it over and over again, but he will find a bigger one to try! I would make sure he is well geared/padded though. Please tell us what you decide, and wheather or not he made it.
 

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double......

Wait untill he gets faster, and watch him when he comes up to the double, and if he lets off alot, then tell him it would be okay. Like I did, I used to go really fast through this one corner, and all the way up to the face of this mini triple, and I would let off. So my dad,my friend, and his dad both told me just to do it. So I waited like 6weeks, and finally gained up enough balls, and just held it wide in 3rd. But I ride a 125. I know a kid that jumps it on his RM80 in 3rd but he hauls major. If he's comfortable with trying it, and thinks he can do it. I say you let him try. "When in doubt,GAS IT!" is what my dad and uncle always told me. It's confidence, and skill level. Later.
 

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Bbbom - about your question to if it's better to come up a little short or a little long on the double of the triple - I say it's better to come up a little long on his first attempt to clear it. The landing won't be as smooth as nailing it perfect and landing on the downslope on the double... but it's easier to save landing on flat ground than it is casing (or smacking into the face) of the double. Plus if he over jumps it the first time - I bet ya the 2nd and 3rd time will be near perfect because he will know he can back off of the gas a little bit and he'll be more comfortable than trying to go for more gas. Just my best advice.

Isn't there a smaller double that he can do somewhere before attempting this one? Like a 15-25 foot double somewhere - just so he can get the feeling first of how it feels to land one right.

3rd gear sounds about right too - since it's a straight before the jump - he should probably get up speed in the straight - then make sure to go over the jump about 3/4 throttle.

And yes - I agree with you - I think first he should watch other 80 riders jump it (listen to their bikes, watch their speed and where on the takeoff they usually jump, and maybe ask them what gear they are in) and then - if he can "follow" behind someone who jumps it to know how much speed is needed - that would make it a little easier.

Keep us posted :confused:
 

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I appreciate all the input. I'll tell him what everyone said (he already knows my concerns) and let him decide.

Nikki - 3rd gear & 3/4 throttle. We will be watching the other's closely before he tries it too!

KX-727, there are other doubles on the track but this one is the "Grandstand Double" and it is also the best straightaway on the track. He has not done a double before but has gotten some decent air on the end of the triple and on the tabletop. This will be his 3rd race on his CR80E and I think he's getting used to the bike and wants to do better. He usually placed 5th or so in the 60 beginners but he has to work harder in the 80's.

Danny8785 - he has to listen to mom on this one! Dad doesn't ride and lives in CA. ;)

He's a good rider but not a lot of track experience. He is a sharp kid and usually keeps it under control but tends to be a bit of a showoff when he has an audience (normal little boy) and his dad will be there for this race, along with several other members (racing members) of my family soooo he's pumped up.

I'll let you all know what happens after Saturday night. :scream:

If anyone has anything to add, feel free to commment! Maybe if I could do one I wouldn't be so worried. Like anything, it looks so easy when done right and so ugly when it isn't!
 
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I will not mention names

But You CANNOT over shoot a Double thats a Tripple (think about it) ....thats just as bad as coming up short on a double.

If you have question ....just say NO, he may not like that but you "momma" have a job to do at the track and home ....you asked the question because you are not sure....so don't go against your betyter judgment.

sorry if it sounds hasty but I have see too many good young riders lose what they had over, going over their head.

I run my son this way, if he proves to me he can clear 30 foot (table top) I will let him do an 20 foot double.
 
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IMO I wouldn't let him do it.
This is why:
1. 85 feet for a kid that just turned 9.
2. You say he has not attempted a double but you're contimplating 85 feet.
3. You've watched "good riders" crash hard there. That reads "better riders".
4. You don't have enough confidence in his riding ability or you wouldn't have posted here.
 
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bbbom,
I don;t think you have to worry about the bikes performance. I feel that that bike will sure handle the jump you have described. I suggest not taking too much advise here on this one. You ultimately have to decide on the maturity and ability of your son. You are totally responsible for anything you tell him. Not that he will always listen, but it's your job to tell it right. Only you can decide what is correct here. How's he feel? (if it were me, one bit of hesitation on his answer would seal the deal).
 
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Want to know what happened?



I told him not to and he did it anyway.


BBB....Tables, Tables, Tables! Practice makes perfect.

Have him do tables tops till he gets good controll and can put that front wheel on a rag at any distance you choose Give or take a foot.