What Toy Hauler should I get?

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#16
Originally posted by JPIVEY
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Have you looked at these http://www.kz-rv.com/sportster/sportster_25.php It's a fifth wheel, and the gross weight is only 8000lbs. Looks to be a decent floor plan with separate tub and shower. Dry weight is 5222lbs. At the beginning of the summer I was thinking my F150 might be able to drag this around without too much trouble. Then well...I changed my mind. Still looks good. K-Z has other smaller conventional trailers, but I was trying to get away from the pop out tent bed.
 

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I wouldn't count on a 25% margin regardless of what a salesman at the Ford dealer or RV dealer says. If you bring your truck in for a warranty claim and the dealer thinks it's because you're exceeding the weights listed on the data plate you're hosed unless you can show that you're under the GVWR & GCWR.

I've got a Patio Hauler 351F - it's a 36ft 5th wheel and it's long. Tahoe/Thor makes a 30ft 5th wheel that would be just about the perfect length if you're looking for an open 'box' trailer instead of a separate garage. Big Bird has one of these and seems to be pretty happy with it.

I was not impressed with WW regarding what get for your dollar. Do a search on my user name here and on www.turbodieselregister.com and you'll find lot's of info on toybox trailers.

Brian
 

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I think you'd be a fool to use this 25% overrated deal. This is my opinion. 25% below this rating is more my style.

I am not saying your truck can't handle the weight or stop it. If you ever kill anyone with your truck while towing that load, you will be at fault and could face some kind of manslaughter charge. Your insurance company will laugh at you because you were breaking the law in any type of accident.

Towing rating is one thing, how about the gvwr of your truck. When you figure at least 10% of the trailer weight (more on 5th wheels) is resting in the bed of your truck you will probably exceed this rating too.

That 4.6 barely got the truck off the lot. I would consider a different truck.
 

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My old 4.6 would stuggle with the 16' toybox loaded up for the weekend and bikes in the truck. It's not just the weight - many toyboxes are high profile and very much like a parachute to tow.

Now my Dodge diesel is a different matter - it laughs at the puny load I hitch to it and will tow anywhere at whatever speed I want, I only change down on hills because I have to slow for turns or other vehicles.
 

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#21
Originally posted by calamari racer
Has anyone ever seen a Campmaster or know anything about them?
I have seen these at the tracks,but not at any dealers yet, the only ones
they have so far are the utility boxes.

But they are very good looking when your truck and trailer are the same color.

I'm giving up on the toy box idea, everything I find that I like is to heavy for my truck.,bummer, besides you all came up with some good negitive points

So, I'm back to either camping it or buying a friends class A Motorhome which is really nice, almost showroom condition, but limits your mobility once your at the race site.
 

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i just saw at the local bookstore a big shootout of the toybox trailers in a magazine called camping life, if anyone is interested
 

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#23
JPivey look at the link that VD posted for KZ we hav one (the 22 footer). it is very light and easy to tow full weight less then 7500 pounds. this last weekend we were at Wardy's with it and thekid, lou and I had plenty of room. Not a top of the line, not bottom line either but affordable and towable.
Also talk to Zoomer he just got a hauler which he pulled down to Wardy's with his truck. He got the 27 foot Starcraft and can give you a better evaluation on towing since he has a gas engine.
 
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I got a Tailgator 26 ft tongue pull model. It is tall and at 6000LBs empty plus water, generator and toys it is a pretty good load. I pull it wit an F250 crewcab diesel and get 10 mpg max pulling it at 70 mph. It is the open floor plan with a seperate bathroom. We added a bunk that folds up from the walls and goes across the entire width of the back so when the toys are unloaded we have a queen size bed. The mattress is carried in the top bunk and we just flip it down. I also added the diamond plate to the front for rock protection and added castors to the back to prevent the tail from draggin. The 6500 watt generator charges the batteries in a few hours and run the heat, a/c and electric water heater fine. It also has a microwave we gets used quite often. I have pulled this trailer approx.12300 miles with no problems, very little tire wear, etc. The interior has stayed fresh looking but I use carpet to cover the tile and change the carpet frequently I also use a tarp to cover the floor when hauling the toys to make cleanup easier. Especially after a mud race.
 
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#25
I did a lot of research on toy haulers, take a look ar the K-Z line. About 5 months ago I ended up getting a K-Z inc. Spostster Sportsman model 35 5th wheel. I bought a truck to handle the weight well, just be sure you whatever toy hauler you buy you get a truck that can handle the load. Getting the right truck made our investment a great enjoyable investment. One thing I am glad we did is get 110 gallon water supply, it is great for washing bikes and having enough water to last for a 3 day racing weekend. We also have found ourselves taking our toyhauler everywhere we go, it is nice for a vacation even when we are not racing. You can see some of our picture of the unit at http://www.picturetrail.com/maxdmax
Good luck whatever you decide to get.
 

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Trust me you don't want to beleive the 25% b/s. The DOT is going to go by the gvw rating and anything over that is illegal. A trailer / truck combo that is overloaded or near maximum is a stressful pain in the butt to drive. You will need at least a 250 series truck and would be better with a 350 dually to pull any of the toyhaulers that are loaded. I tried the 1/2T suburban pulling a 28' Playmor Sport toybox and that was an accident looking for a place to happen. I sold the 'Burb after one trip and replaced it with a 3500 crewcab dually. This worked good. Then I wanted to upgrade to a 5th wheel since I had the truck to pull it. We got a 37' Playmor sport single slide toybox. Back to square one: Too much trailer , not enough truck! Last Dec I got a Freightliner FL60 4door hauler with a 8.3 Cummins/ 6spd Allison etc. Finally I've got a truck and trailer that are a good match and is easy to drive. Don't get a trailer that is over 80% of what the tow vehicle is rated for. You shorten the trucks life and yours too from the increased stress on both of you! Besides, get in an accident with an overloaded rig and your insurance co can tell you you're on your own since you are overweight.

Getting down off my soapbox now! Just don't believe most RV and truck salesman. Their personal agenda is to sell you what they have in stock!

toolman
 

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I'd like to go take a look at the Hi-Lo Funchaser since it has a lower traveling profile and hydraulic lift platform. The GVWR is 7500lbs which should be o.k. for my F-150 to pull. Anybody here have one or know anything about them?
 

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#28
Sounds like you would be 1400 lbs over your maximum legal limit. Also I bet you're over the GVWR of your pickup with that much tongue weight.

I hope you like jail. Pick up that soap eh?

Time for a real truck. A half ton is for commuting, I have one too and I wouldn't even consider a 7500 lb trailer.

Just how do you plan to justify to the mother of the kids that you just killed that "The max weight limit is just a recommendation"? While you're busy pointing fingers your insurance company will have their foot in your arse and the cops can attach handcuffs. Your truck and trailer will be burning. You should be ashamed for even considering it.
 
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#29
That's kind of harsh there Highbeam. My 1998 F150 supercab 4x4 lists a max towing limit of 7200 lbs with an equalizer hitch. I know that the limit can go to 8000 lbs with a standard cab and 2 wheel drive.
 

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#30
Isn't GVWR the amount of weight the trailer can hold, Not what your pulling;ie: the trailer weights in at 4800 lbs empty, add water @ 8.3 lbs per gal,add a couple of bikes @ 230 ea. and your pulling 6100 lbs.

Now your parked, your have a 4800 lb trailer + 830 lbs water = 5630 lbs, now you can put 1570 lbs of your fat buddies and food and everything should be cool; Right ???


Or I'm I wrong