Ricky Carmichael just beat Barnetts record. But only because Brown pulled over and let someone beat him. Weak. Brown won the series fair and square, but Ricky should not feel good about getting the record that way. I hope when people talk about it they mention how it happened. I dont know if this should be here or in the flame board, sorry.
The other side!
Seems to me when a rider is 3 to 5 seconds a lap faster than anyone else
plus being the fastest 125 rider who ever lived they deserve the record.
Have you noticed that RC has slowed down at the finish to let other riders
have a lap back? Feel thankful you get to see one of the best of all time
riders in history at work.
Seems to me when a rider is 3 to 5 seconds a lap faster than anyone else
plus being the fastest 125 rider who ever lived they deserve the record.
Have you noticed that RC has slowed down at the finish to let other riders
have a lap back? Feel thankful you get to see one of the best of all time
riders in history at work.
Personally I don't beleive that. Pastrana was beating Langston and Brown quite effectively until he got that concusion. So if he is in the 125 class next year who says RC could beat him. Come on Brown pulled over to help him out. They way Travis was riding this year in SX and the begining of MX I expected him to wrap up the title early and ride 250 at the end of the season, so much for that.
I'm really sorry to hear that a bike failure decided the championship.
I'm really sorry to hear that a bike failure decided the championship.
I like Travis also but checkout his interview with RacerX--his comment about
this weeks race was "Carmichael will not be a factor, he will be so far out
front Brown and Langston won't see him". Travis is smart enough to know
he is still minor league and the same with Brown. Now Langston was not,
but after getting smoked this weekend I suppose he sees what he has to
look forward to in the 250 class.
this weeks race was "Carmichael will not be a factor, he will be so far out
front Brown and Langston won't see him". Travis is smart enough to know
he is still minor league and the same with Brown. Now Langston was not,
but after getting smoked this weekend I suppose he sees what he has to
look forward to in the 250 class.
I don't think there is any debate whether or not Brown's title is legit. Carmichael's record is the one in question and I for one think that is also legit. Broken wheels, DNFs, and Team tactics are all part of racing - always has been and always will be... I did feel very badly for Langston though. Although he does have many more years to win championships.
I was at the race today and Carmichael is just flat faster than anyone else. It was announced during the interviews that RC was turning lap times as fast as the 250 leaders. RC laughed it off and said that they were just relaxing and having fun without him out there. I doubt it. I guess if you are the fastest 125 rider to ever walk the face of the Earth, you deserve the record.
I was at the race today and Carmichael is just flat faster than anyone else. It was announced during the interviews that RC was turning lap times as fast as the 250 leaders. RC laughed it off and said that they were just relaxing and having fun without him out there. I doubt it. I guess if you are the fastest 125 rider to ever walk the face of the Earth, you deserve the record.
The "record" is meaningless , just as what brand he was riding when he set it. He'll be on a red bike next year and then Honda fans will embrace him.
The facts are: Ricky sandbagged in the 125 class for years against "B" talent. He hung around and around and around. Barnett set his record when there was a full bevy of factory supported riders in the 125 class.
Ricky may as well have gone to Chicken Licks Raceway today and raced the 80cc 12-15 class. Didn't he win a lot of races in that class? Why not go back against that caliber of rider and try to add another trophy to the mantle.
Biker and some of the others are right, it was a weak scenario and won't earn a lot of respect from real race fans. If the race had concluded without the gratuitous actions of Mr. Brown, RC is 2nd overall. It wasn't legit and he won't gain any respect.
We all know the truth.
Yes, he set out to beat MC and earn the SX title and he did. That is totally legit and quite a feat. But it makes his 125 antics seem as though they should be beneath him.
But RC has consistently shown that he is all about him, and him alone. From his clothing contracts to the Honda deal to this stunt, it's all about RC.
He could take lessons from others about how to conduct yourself.
Wow, he got another 125 overall.
And dropped another rung on my ladder in the process.
Geez. Hey RJ, feel like coming out of retirement? We're in need of someone with class.
The facts are: Ricky sandbagged in the 125 class for years against "B" talent. He hung around and around and around. Barnett set his record when there was a full bevy of factory supported riders in the 125 class.
Ricky may as well have gone to Chicken Licks Raceway today and raced the 80cc 12-15 class. Didn't he win a lot of races in that class? Why not go back against that caliber of rider and try to add another trophy to the mantle.
Biker and some of the others are right, it was a weak scenario and won't earn a lot of respect from real race fans. If the race had concluded without the gratuitous actions of Mr. Brown, RC is 2nd overall. It wasn't legit and he won't gain any respect.
We all know the truth.
Yes, he set out to beat MC and earn the SX title and he did. That is totally legit and quite a feat. But it makes his 125 antics seem as though they should be beneath him.
But RC has consistently shown that he is all about him, and him alone. From his clothing contracts to the Honda deal to this stunt, it's all about RC.
He could take lessons from others about how to conduct yourself.
Wow, he got another 125 overall.
And dropped another rung on my ladder in the process.
Geez. Hey RJ, feel like coming out of retirement? We're in need of someone with class.
Meaningless to whom? Kawasaki? Honda? Race fans? Carmichael? Or just you? I'm not sure that I agreed when he announced that he was going to attempt to break it. But it sure made for an exciting day of racing against those "B-class" riders Langston and Brown - especially when he placed 3rd in the first moto. There are no rules preventing him from riding the 125 class. However I think he is a few years too old to race the 12-15 80cc class. ;)
That may or may not be true. Could it be that he is just the fastest rider regardless of class? He is just 21 years old right? Would it be better if he would have jumped to the 250 class one year earlier? I'm not sure that makes much of a difference.
I consider myself a "real" race fan and I respect RC as one of the best MXers of all-time. Although, I don't think I respect him any more or less than I did before this record.
Maybe he should be about Travis Pastrana or Sebastian Tortelli? :D Seriously though - I wonder if RC would pull over to help Brown? Probably?
RC is a great rider - one of the greatest. He hates to lose and comes across as a jerk. (quite often in my opinion) But he shouldn't lose respect for accomplishing a goal that was within the rules and judging by "real" fan reaction today, I imagine he gained more respect than he lost.
That may or may not be true. Could it be that he is just the fastest rider regardless of class? He is just 21 years old right? Would it be better if he would have jumped to the 250 class one year earlier? I'm not sure that makes much of a difference.
I consider myself a "real" race fan and I respect RC as one of the best MXers of all-time. Although, I don't think I respect him any more or less than I did before this record.
Maybe he should be about Travis Pastrana or Sebastian Tortelli? :D Seriously though - I wonder if RC would pull over to help Brown? Probably?
RC is a great rider - one of the greatest. He hates to lose and comes across as a jerk. (quite often in my opinion) But he shouldn't lose respect for accomplishing a goal that was within the rules and judging by "real" fan reaction today, I imagine he gained more respect than he lost.
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Well said, Jimmy!
The record is certainly not meaningless to TEAM Kawasaki - RC is now the winningest 125 rider of all time, and ALL of his wins came on a Kawasaki. By winning today RC also broke McGrath's record of most combined SX and MX wins in a single season. Brown had already clinched the title - why deprive his teammates of additional glory?
I'm also a race fan, and I can undertstand why Brown and RC did what they did. Brown had accomplished his and Kawasaki''s #1 goal the instant Langston pulled off. Brown works for Kawasaki. He can help his employer (his TEAM) by letting another rider past. It's not just about RC, but RC deserves the record and our respect - his most impressive ride of the year was probably his 3rd in the 1st moto!
Also, can you imagine how much heat Brown would have gotten from his team and from RC's fans if he had not pulled over? Brown has to work with these people. He would have been labelled selfish, not a team player, etc...
BTW, RC and Brown will be on TEAM USA at the MXdN. They should get along pretty well. Watch out, Belgium :)
Finally, nobody can blame RC for the economics of the sport. He doesn't decide if the 125 class is strong or weak (It's strong). But to label national caliber riders as "B talent" , :silly: Those 'B' riders that RC lapped today would probably lap your local top pro.
The record is certainly not meaningless to TEAM Kawasaki - RC is now the winningest 125 rider of all time, and ALL of his wins came on a Kawasaki. By winning today RC also broke McGrath's record of most combined SX and MX wins in a single season. Brown had already clinched the title - why deprive his teammates of additional glory?
I'm also a race fan, and I can undertstand why Brown and RC did what they did. Brown had accomplished his and Kawasaki''s #1 goal the instant Langston pulled off. Brown works for Kawasaki. He can help his employer (his TEAM) by letting another rider past. It's not just about RC, but RC deserves the record and our respect - his most impressive ride of the year was probably his 3rd in the 1st moto!
Also, can you imagine how much heat Brown would have gotten from his team and from RC's fans if he had not pulled over? Brown has to work with these people. He would have been labelled selfish, not a team player, etc...
BTW, RC and Brown will be on TEAM USA at the MXdN. They should get along pretty well. Watch out, Belgium :)
Finally, nobody can blame RC for the economics of the sport. He doesn't decide if the 125 class is strong or weak (It's strong). But to label national caliber riders as "B talent" , :silly: Those 'B' riders that RC lapped today would probably lap your local top pro.