CA DMV - Trials and Tribulations

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OK... so I originally purchased this 1990 KDX 200 from some guy I found off Craigslist who wanted $750... I asked for $650 because of the dirty condition.. he came back with $675.

So fuggit... I said ya gotta deal. Then he tells me its registered for the street and was last registered in 2005.

Since he's got all the lighting taken off the thing... and I don't plan on riding this thing anywhere on the street... I figured I'd just goto DMV and tell them to drop the Street part of the registration... explaining that it doesn't even have the proper equipment for that anyway... then I'd just pay back fees on OFF-Highway part of the registration which would no-doubt be way less.

First time I go to DMV with the pink and all that... I explain the situation frontwards and backwards and plead my case about why should I be forced to pay back street registration when that was no fault of my own.... not only that... it would be paying all sorts of money for something which I cannot legally use anyway since the bike doesn't have any of the lighting hardware on it anyway.

So on this 1st visit...the DMV employee.. (we'll call her "Rotunda" for short due to her behemeth size) says I'll have to pay the back penalties on the dirt-registration which I did :pissed: then she had me fill-out and sign a "STATEMENT OF FACTS" in which I eloquently explained that the machine not only liked the hardware... he didn't even have a plate to give me.. nor do I WANT OR NEED to have it street registered.

Fine... they send it to Sacramento...

All the paperwork comes back... :| and there's like this cryptic doc list a buncha fee codes etc... the other side of it stating that basically I'd have to first make the registration current before it can be converted to OFF Highway registration.

Way pissed... I call the 877 number they list... explain to some younger kid who answered from a call center in Irvine. Seemed like he was there with me and understood the dilemma... tells me look like I need to just fill-out a form REG397 ...blah blah blah...

2nd visit to DMV... tell them about the form.... they take a millenium finding this particular form because it's not listed on there on-line electronic index of forms... turns out... looks like it's a form a dealer would fill-out for a brand-new bike.

:bang: :bang: :bang:

By this point it's taking absolutely all my self-control to remain pleasant and try in vain to utilize my powers of logic and reasoning with this new chick... end of talking with her... she's all talking like I'd have to bring the bike in so they could inspect it to verify it's now in a dirt-only condition blah blah blah to allow us to then fill-out a form to convert to dirt only reg.

I'm sitting her trying to get to think about... what does that matter.. I could have a friggin Harley or something for christ sake.. and if I come walkin' in the door sayin I wanna make it dirt-only registration.... fuggit... you should be fine with doing it... because in doing so ... it obviously would make it then illegal to ride it on a street... so what does it matter what kinda equipment it has or not.. right?

I then get passed-up to a supervisor kinda dude.

He explains/shows me that this particular bike was apparently registered ON-HIGHWAY since day one... not like your typical dual-registration that you'd normally see for a plated bike in Cali.

So I further try to logic and reason with them that this must mean the bike was originally purchased/registered in some other state since I know for a fact I couldn't street reg this kinda bike in Cali nowadays.

So anyhoo... I explain to this guy there ain't no way in hell I'm paying an addition $271 on top of the $146 I ALREADY shelled-out towards this bike... especially when I only paid (cough) $500 (cough, cough) for it... and especially since it would be paying for a plate which I couldn't legally use anyway since it lacks the apppropriate hardware!

This guy offers me something at least.... he removed all the previous PENALTY fees... but says I'll still have to pay the reg charges for prior years.. $87. I'm like fine... whatever.. if it'll get me outta here.....

and get this.... when the title and this plate hit my door... I THEN have to GO BACK with the title and plate and apparently pay a freakin conversion charge to go dirt-only.. he said he thinks it's like $45-ish.

Man... this "good deal" bike at $675 is turning into anything but.... but dang it... I'm already commited into it anyway since I've begun the process of restoring her and purchasing needed parts to refurbish her and bring her fire back to life.

This sh!t better run DAMN good by the time I'm finished with her.... that's all I gotta say.
 
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Welcome to socialism, if it makes sense and is easy, it probably isn't on the menu!
 
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That 8.00 really makes up for it. I am trying to title a street bike and I have to haul it 120 miles round trip just to get it titled even though it isn't even running yet because the local DMV are not qualified to inspect the vin. Gotta love this state. But I also have to put it back together in order to get it inspected, so it is all fun here in the sun. It'll be worth it once it is done.
 
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XMotoX said:
At least you stuck it to 'em there. :cool:
As far as I know.. EVERYBODY does this though. They're gettin' slightly wise to it though... it has to somewhat jive with the lowball BlueBook numbers. If you site a ridiculously low amount they just charge registration fees based on the lowest/poorest condition values for the model on Kelley Blue Book.
 
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We all lie about or prices on our bills of sales and jip the DMV that way. The DMV must wonder why every car/bike is worth only $200.
 
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If you're in Garden Grove I assume you were dealing with the Westminster DMV? Every time I have tried to register/change registration/title on an ORV there it has been a major hassle.

If you are an Auto Club member try them. At least the employees there are not inbred tacobillies and they can understand more than a three word sentence.
 
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TheGDog said:
As far as I know.. EVERYBODY does this though. They're gettin' slightly wise to it though... it has to somewhat jive with the lowball BlueBook numbers. If you site a ridiculously low amount they just charge registration fees based on the lowest/poorest condition values for the model on Kelley Blue Book.
Yeah thats true. Everyone I know does it, but like you said, you can't go in there saying you got a 2000 dollar bike for only 200 bucks. You gotta be reasonable and you can get away with it. I mean, when I bought my KDX from a local guy and he was filling out the transfer title, he said fill in my own price. I paid 1800 but marked it as 1400. At least we can still get the DMV back somehow.
 
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Here's a question...Speaking of DMV type issues.... if you felt like it would be justice to take out the photo-enforcement hardware at a particular intersection as payback for the unfair ticket you got for not coming to an absolute totally dead stop before executing your right-hand turn... and it was an infraction that you feel... for sure... no vehicular officer would bother to cite you for because you executed the turn oh soo slowly and cautiously....

if you were gonna take-out the photo-enforcement camera poles... how might YOU do it? Hypothetically speaking... of course.

Just spray-paint the housing glass black?
Home-made explosive strapped onto base of pole and detonated?
Directed micro-wave beam to melt the solid-state circuitry housed within?
Slather acid around base of the poles/housing night-after-night until it eventually weakens and falls?
Sneak up with a pre-filled compressed air tank with an impact driver and the huge socket wrench needed to remove the base mounting bolts?

What do YOU think would be easiest to execute... quickest to execute?

And be creative!
 
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TheGDog said:
Here's a question...Speaking of DMV type issues.... if you felt like it would be justice to take out the photo-enforcement hardware at a particular intersection as payback for the unfair ticket you got for not coming to an absolute totally dead stop before executing your right-hand turn... and it was an infraction that you feel... for sure... no vehicular officer would bother to cite you for because you executed the turn oh soo slowly and cautiously....

if you were gonna take-out the photo-enforcement camera poles... how might YOU do it? Hypothetically speaking... of course.

Just spray-paint the housing glass black?
Home-made explosive strapped onto base of pole and detonated?
Directed micro-wave beam to melt the solid-state circuitry housed within?
Slather acid around base of the poles/housing night-after-night until it eventually weakens and falls?
Sneak up with a pre-filled compressed air tank with an impact driver and the huge socket wrench needed to remove the base mounting bolts?

What do YOU think would be easiest to execute... quickest to execute?

And be creative!
Watch "THE ITALIAN JOB" then make a good friend out of a computer hack.
 
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ridejunky said:
Watch "THE ITALIAN JOB" then make a good friend out of a computer hack.
I think I saw movie. Can't remember it though.

I can figure out ANYTHING computer related, given enough time.
 
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76GMC1500 said:
We all lie about or prices on our bills of sales and jip the DMV that way. The DMV must wonder why every car/bike is worth only $200.

:ohmy: Speak for yourself. I don't lie about the price on the bill of sale. That is just the same, morally speaking, as stealing. Plus I figure it will come back to bite you somehow...(probably when you are on a trail 50 miles from nowhere....) things like that come around one way or another...

plus why compromise your morals over the taxes due on $175 ? That really isn't that much...
 

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:ohmy: Speak for yourself. I don't lie about the price on the bill of sale. That is just the same, morally speaking, as stealing. Plus I figure it will come back to bite you somehow...(probably when you are on a trail 50 miles from nowhere....) things like that come around one way or another...

plus why compromise your morals over the taxes due on $175 ? That really isn't that much...
+1.. :nod:

Hey, I have been to Shingletown :cool: Lots of fun riding! & Auntie Bo's donuts :nod: :cool:
 
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The taxes saved on the 175 is the 8.00 that I was referring to. Guess that it would be closer to 14.00, still not much compared to what it is costing you extra.